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Old 05-23-2017, 10:44 AM   #1
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Default A question for the guys who DO know their rear end from a hole in the ground

Howdy All,

I have a WWII military "Light Duty Warehouse and Airfield Tug" that is based on a Ford Model B engine and transmission but uses a worm-drive rear end and wheels.

I know that the Model B didn't have a worm-drive rear end so it's likely an early AA or even a late TT rear end. Can anyone tell me if the first year of the AA used a worm-drive rear end or did it end with the last TT?

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Old 05-23-2017, 10:52 AM   #2
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The AA used a worm drive thru 1929.

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Old 05-23-2017, 11:00 AM   #3
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Thanks Bob. I've attached two photos. Can you tell me if this is a TT or AA rear end?

I apologize for the poor quality of the photos but these are all I have in my computer at the moment.

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Old 05-23-2017, 11:12 AM   #4
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I can't really tell from the picture.Here are a picture of a AA rear axle
and a drawing of a TT, notice the size difference of the brakes.

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Old 05-23-2017, 11:38 AM   #5
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Hmmmmm,

My tug's rear end has been shortened considerably and has been adapted to purpose-built solid steel rear wheels (which are about 7,854,669,337,925 pounds each) that use pressed-on solid rubber forklift-type tires. I'll have to check to see what size brakes I have.

The purpose of my post this morning is to figure out the wheel's bearings which are missing. (The tug was partially disassembled when I got it 15 years ago.) I understand that the bearings are uncaged rollers that fit into replaceable races pressed into the heavy rear wheels. I'm trying to determine if these races are Ford parts or something generic. (And ultimately where to get the parts.)

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Old 05-23-2017, 11:43 AM   #6
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Sounds like once upon a time there were two (2) old guys sitting on a park bench.

The guy on the right says, "We are the only two (2) guys in the entire World who DO know their rear ends from a hole in the ground."

Then, complete silence.

Ten minutes later ,,,,, the guy on the right adds,

"And sometimes I have doubts about you!"
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Old 05-23-2017, 11:44 AM   #7
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BTW, this is what I've got...
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Forgot to include this...
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With that worm drive and those tiny wheels, that tug should be able to pull the hangar too !

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Old 05-23-2017, 12:08 PM   #10
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With that worm drive and those tiny wheels, that tug should be able to pull the hangar too !

I suspect it would climb a telephone pole if it could get traction!

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Aren't the worm drives generally Timken equipped bearings?
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Old 05-23-2017, 12:40 PM   #12
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Aren't the worm drives generally Timken equipped bearings?
I believe the rear end is done and now we're looking at whether the wheel bearings are Ford parts or something else.

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Old 05-23-2017, 01:29 PM   #13
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This is a AA rear wheel bearing.

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Old 05-23-2017, 01:33 PM   #14
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Here is a picture of the rest of the bearings.

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Old 05-23-2017, 01:58 PM   #15
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Here are the dimensions of the outer wheel bearing races (more like sleeves) that are pressed into the tug's wheels:
4.25" OD
3.875" ID
2.75 Long

It's highly unlikely that Superior Grinding Co (the tug's manufacturer) would go to the trouble and expense of having special wheel bearings made so I'm betting that they're either Ford bearings, or common, off-the-shelf bearings.

Do you know if they're Ford AA wheel bearings and, if so, what their part numbers are?

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Old 05-23-2017, 02:29 PM   #16
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I THINK that these are the parts I need:

Outer Race (Sleeve): AA1236-C
Bearings: AA1225-B (rumored to be superseded by BB1225-A)

Anybody know who might have these in stock?

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Old 05-23-2017, 03:00 PM   #17
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Those numbers are for bevel gear rear axles that came out in 1930.
Worm part numbers are AA-1236-BR and AA-1225-BR

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Thanks Bob. Do you know who might stock them?

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Old 05-23-2017, 04:08 PM   #19
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I think they are going to be a little difficult to come by. I would start
with Bert's http://modelastore.com/ or Little Dearborn, you could also
ask on the AA board http://forums.aa-fords.com/index.php

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Good Luck. Berts didnt have any nor little dearborn when I was looking for some for my 29 worm AA... Ended up trading a well used high speed worm and gear for a very nice set. I do have a set - not the greatest but might be useful in something that only goes 0.5 mph...I will have to snag pics soon.
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Old 05-23-2017, 06:47 PM   #21
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But these are the rear wheel bearings for the Double As. If they're no longer available, how are they still on the road?

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Old 05-23-2017, 07:55 PM   #22
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They show up on Epay once in a blue moon.

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New Info:
Our Model A club's engine guru has determined that I need two bearings that look like the picture that Bob C included in post #13 (on page 1 of this thread) with the following dimensions:

OD: 3-7/8"
ID: 2-3/4"
LENGTH: 2-1/4"

Any idea what these bearings are from and where I might get them?

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Timken has the diameters listed in their catalog but the length is shorter. might try them or your local bearing house.
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I have a couple of BB-1225 bearings, but they are only 1.75 inches in length. You can have the bearings for the cost of shipping if you want them. They are new, but have some rust stains under the wax paper. If they are any good to you, I have no need for them.
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The BB-1225 is OD 4.00 ID 2.875 W1.75

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TRIVIA: VOLVO translated, means "IT ROLLS"--They were originally a BALL BEARING Company. Among other things, they also made Tennis Rackets & Nylons. Has your Model A ever been "blown" off the road by a HUGE, VOLVO Big Rig??? They DIDN'T build Airplanes, but they build FIRE BREATHIN' JET Engines!!
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