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Old 09-29-2021, 04:10 PM   #21
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Okay, I thought my reply was simple enough to deduce the answer you were seeking. Let's go another route:
The car is supposed to judged as to the way it left the factory. If there was not an electric pump on the car when it left the factory, then there is a point deduction.

So ......(Posts #18 & 19) What do I know? DD
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Old 09-29-2021, 04:15 PM   #22
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John, Are you a member of the Early Ford V8 Club of America? If so, you may want to read the rules of the concourse. It's a quick read.
The summary? The car is judged against what it would have been when it left the factory and / or the dealership. There are exceptions. In example: a dealer often installed after-market accessories in order to boost profits. Sure, it left the dealer like that. However, the after-market accessories were not authorized by Ford and as such a deduction should be made for their inclusion now.
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Old 09-29-2021, 04:53 PM   #23
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The following is from the Early Ford V8 Club of America National Judging Instructions:
Electric Fuel Pump: There will no longer be a standard five (5) point deduction for the installation of an electric fuel pump on any Concourse displayed vehicle provided that the electric fuel pump has been neatly installed near the fuel tank and works as an integral component to the mechanical fuel pump installed on the engine. The electric fuel pump cannot be utilized as the sole source to supply fuel to the engine and/or installed in such a way as to bypass the mechanical fuel pump. (Effective change 2017).

Hope this helps. LouB.
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Old 09-29-2021, 05:06 PM   #24
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The following is from the Early Ford V8 Club of America National Judging Instructions:
Electric Fuel Pump: There will no longer be a standard five (5) point deduction for the installation of an electric fuel pump on any Concourse displayed vehicle provided that the electric fuel pump has been neatly installed near the fuel tank and works as an integral component to the mechanical fuel pump installed on the engine. The electric fuel pump cannot be utilized as the sole source to supply fuel to the engine and/or installed in such a way as to bypass the mechanical fuel pump. (Effective change 2017).

Hope this helps. LouB.
It helps a little. It's total BS but yep, the club in their infinite wisdom decided it was okay to run an electric pump for guys that can't otherwise figure out how to get their vehicle to run properly with a stock pump and would cry if they didn't "win".

Still, an electric pump is an accessory and for THAT reason I deduct two points, the standard deduction for unauthorized accessories.
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Old 09-29-2021, 08:27 PM   #25
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I don't think EFV-8 club deducts points for seat belts or electic pumps anymore.

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How about the four point deduction for Plastic valve caps?
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How about the four point deduction for Plastic valve caps?
Sounds about right.
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Wouldn't it additionally come under the heading of safety?
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Old 09-30-2021, 12:57 PM   #29
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It helps a little. It's total BS but yep, the club in their infinite wisdom decided it was okay to run an electric pump for guys that can't otherwise figure out how to get their vehicle to run properly with a stock pump and would cry if they didn't "win".

Still, an electric pump is an accessory and for THAT reason I deduct two points, the standard deduction for unauthorized accessories.
I'm with you all the way on that Kube.
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It helps a little. It's total BS but yep, the club in their infinite wisdom decided it was okay to run an electric pump for guys that can't otherwise figure out how to get their vehicle to run properly with a stock pump and would cry if they didn't "win".

Still, an electric pump is an accessory and for THAT reason I deduct two points, the standard deduction for unauthorized accessories.
Mike, now you have me curious...why do you want one?
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Mike, now you have me curious...why do you want one?
I am repairing a friend's car that desires one.
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Old 09-30-2021, 04:07 PM   #32
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Scoffing at the use of an electric pump installed on seldom used/operated vehicles is not just "prudish" but simply ridiculous. This is especially true for 6V systems. Some of my units are not started for months. Dumping gas or spraying ether in a carb is not only less safe but certainly more troublesome. Apparently the EFV8 Club is reasonable enough to realize the facts.
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Old 09-30-2021, 04:19 PM   #33
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Scoffing at the use of an electric pump installed on seldom used/operated vehicles is not just "prudish" but simply ridiculous. This is especially true for 6V systems. Some of my units are not started for months. Dumping gas or spraying ether in a carb is not only less safe but certainly more troublesome. Apparently the EFV8 Club is reasonable enough to realize the facts.
We will need to agree to disagree. Many of my cars sit for months as well. With little more than 15 to 30 seconds of the starter turning and the choke pulled, they all start.
It really comes down to how well the vehicle was built and maintained.

I have NO issue with those that install electric pumps for any number of reasons. Hey, I say enjoy your car for all the time you are able.

I do take exception with those that don't want to or are unable to build their cars so as to operate as they were designed and still expect to "win" on the concourse.
We all have choices to make. One of those choices should never be "I can't "win" with the current rules so let's change them".
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Old 09-30-2021, 07:17 PM   #34
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I agree with "Kube" on this. 35 years ago, when I first got my '51 and experienced some hard-starting problems, I installed an electric fuel pump.10 years later, when I finally figured out what makes these things tick, I removed it. I have never looked back.
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