The Ford Barn

Brian · 10-02-2021, 10:52 PM

I've found some clusters, the tooth count is 25,22,16,14. Two lugs at back behind the rev gear. What would they be for? Labelled as Ford, but I dunno? What say you?

cas3 · 10-03-2021, 01:23 AM

Brian, there is a tooth count chart at vanpelts, 25 sounds like lincoln to me but check at macs instead of my nonsense.

mercman from oz · 10-03-2021, 03:56 AM

Lincoln Cluster Gears?

glennpm · 10-03-2021, 06:42 AM

LZ gears came with this cluster set. Portion of a table shown on Vanpelt's site.

Glenn

Tim Ayers · 10-03-2021, 11:05 AM

LZ gears are stamped Ford, so if the count checks out they should be. The LZ 26 tooth set I have also has the tang on the back of the cluster. It uses a trust washer designed to sit around that tang

Mac VP · 10-03-2021, 03:11 PM

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I took a quick look at my gear catalogs and couldn’t find the match. One thing I can say…..it’s NOT a Lincoln Zephyr gear from the 1940-48 era. The diamond shaped first gear teeth are definitely 1949 and newer. If the bearing bore measures 1” diameter, the gear would be in the 1949-54 range. From 1955 on, the bore was larger. It’s possible that it was some sort of “speed gears “ offering from one of the gear manufacturers. If so, you’d have to have the matching “speed” second gear to work as a set.

I tried to find the 259-8D number in my gear catalogs but failed to find it. I suggest recounting the gear teeth….one or more of the counts you gave could be off one tooth. Report back to confirm the counts and I can have another look.

mercman from oz · 10-04-2021, 10:22 PM

Portion of a table shown on Vanpelt's site. glennpm

Brian · 11-05-2021, 01:58 AM

Well, a follow up...I've identified WT 259-8D as fitting 1954 Mercury

rotorwrench · 11-05-2021, 11:40 AM

The 259-series transmissions were a carry over from the Ford/Borg Warner designs prior to the end of the flathead era. The diamond tooth designs came in for Ford products in 1951. Other manufacturers may have also used the 259-series since several manufacturers used the R10 overdrives. Ford used the 259 in certain light duty applications up into the early 60s. The bearings for the counter shaft changed from the caged design rollers to loose rollers in there somewhere. This is evident in the change of the bore ID of the cluster gears as Mac VP mentioned previously.

10-03-2021, 01:23 AM	#2
cas3 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: sw minnesota Posts: 4,571	Re: Lincoln clusters? Brian, there is a tooth count chart at vanpelts, 25 sounds like lincoln to me but check at macs instead of my nonsense.

10-03-2021, 03:56 AM	#3
mercman from oz Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Queensland, Australia Posts: 10,361	Re: Lincoln clusters? Lincoln Cluster Gears?

10-03-2021, 11:05 AM	#5
Tim Ayers Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: NJ Posts: 6,177	Re: Lincoln clusters? LZ gears are stamped Ford, so if the count checks out they should be. The LZ 26 tooth set I have also has the tang on the back of the cluster. It uses a trust washer designed to sit around that tang

10-03-2021, 03:11 PM	#6
Mac VP Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 1,361	Re: Lincoln clusters? Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) I took a quick look at my gear catalogs and couldn’t find the match. One thing I can say…..it’s NOT a Lincoln Zephyr gear from the 1940-48 era. The diamond shaped first gear teeth are definitely 1949 and newer. If the bearing bore measures 1” diameter, the gear would be in the 1949-54 range. From 1955 on, the bore was larger. It’s possible that it was some sort of “speed gears “ offering from one of the gear manufacturers. If so, you’d have to have the matching “speed” second gear to work as a set. I tried to find the 259-8D number in my gear catalogs but failed to find it. I suggest recounting the gear teeth….one or more of the counts you gave could be off one tooth. Report back to confirm the counts and I can have another look. __________________ VANPELT SALES LLC Cincinnati, Ohio Office: 513-724-9486 www.vanpeltsales.com www.classictransmission.com

10-04-2021, 10:22 PM	#7
mercman from oz Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Queensland, Australia Posts: 10,361	Re: Lincoln clusters? Portion of a table shown on Vanpelt's site. glennpm

11-05-2021, 01:58 AM	#8
Brian Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Masterton, New Zealand Posts: 3,832	Re: Lincoln clusters? Well, a follow up...I've identified WT 259-8D as fitting 1954 Mercury __________________ Unfortunately, two half wits don't make a whole wit!

11-05-2021, 11:40 AM	#9
rotorwrench Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 16,426	Re: Lincoln clusters? The 259-series transmissions were a carry over from the Ford/Borg Warner designs prior to the end of the flathead era. The diamond tooth designs came in for Ford products in 1951. Other manufacturers may have also used the 259-series since several manufacturers used the R10 overdrives. Ford used the 259 in certain light duty applications up into the early 60s. The bearings for the counter shaft changed from the caged design rollers to loose rollers in there somewhere. This is evident in the change of the bore ID of the cluster gears as Mac VP mentioned previously.