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10-30-2020, 06:15 PM | #1 |
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Houston....We have a problem
I bought the top and side wood kits for my 31 Deluxe delivery but made the bottom wood since it seemed pretty simple. Put all the wood together, everything went together quite well until I went to start fitting the quarter panels and they don't fit. When I clamp the back of the panel to the door posts at the back, the front of the panel is 1" short of fitting to the front of the front door posts. In other words, the wood frame appears to be 1" too long. However, the floor that I made is exactly the same length of as the original and the brackets front and back can not be adjusted for the discrepancy. As you can see in the first pic, the panel fits OK at the back door post, second pic shows that the holes for the carriage bolts do NOT line up with the wood brace about half way down the length suggesting that the issue is between that brace and the rear door posts, the third pic shows that the floor is exactly the same length as the original and the last pic shows how short I am from the panel fitting the front of the front door post. I am at a loss as to what the cause is and therefore have no clue how to fix it. Suggestions??. I can provide any pics that may help.
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10-31-2020, 07:26 AM | #2 |
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Re: Houston....We have a problem
When putting the doors on, how is the gap? You are working on its chassis frame with body bolts thru wood to frame?
I’ve built one of those years ago. I’d put the doors on and the rear “Skelton” and see where things go from there Seems if the sills are correct the remainder should fall in line Your original sills were “original” and not Messed with. |
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10-31-2020, 09:34 AM | #3 |
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About all I can say is that the side or vertical components should fit with the vertical body panel when placed in proper location. If they don't fit well with the body then the wood vertical members would be suspect or at least some part of them. The horizontal members that tie them together are part of the fit too.
If the vertical and interconnecting horizontal members do fit well with the large rear body panels then the sill and floor members could be suspect. I tend to trust original members like you but it has been a long time since the original manufacture. It's hard to verify if they are original or not at this stage of the game. Most wood kits require fit and finish adjustments but they are generally in the ball park for fit with minor adjustments to get it all where it has to be to work. A person always wonders whether a member is a little bit long or short. A little bit long can be managed but a little bit short, not so much. Those wood kits ain't cheap but a person has to verify where the ill fitment exists before going back to the fabricator of the wood products. Some may still be correct while others may not. You definitely have a puzzle there. I just hope there are a few other experienced folks that can help you more with this. |
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Oh..your off by an inch...it is necessary |
10-31-2020, 10:22 AM | #7 |
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Here is my two cents worth-and that is all this is worth. I assume that you have matched up the old wood to the new physically next to each other. Just to verify dimensions and hole placement, But the floor piece you have in next to the original looks to be off in hole placement. Maybe it is just the way the picture is shot. Also, the middle vertical piece looks to be about three inches to short. Again maybe the it is in the picture.
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11-01-2020, 09:33 AM | #9 |
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Moving the back end of the skeleton forward an inch would be simple enough. All I would have to do is knock an inch off of the upper side rail (where the 2 screws are), then shorten the sill by an inch and move the car door post and corner post ahead an inch and the quarter panel should fit. HOWEVER, as rotorwrench stated, these wood kits should only require minor fit adjustments and I just can't see it needing to be shortened by a whole inch. Also, if I was to do this, I will have to shorten the floor by an inch and I KNOW that the floor is exactly the same length as the original now so shortening it an inch can't be correct. I may have to put the body back on the chassis, mount the running board and check the location of the rear fender relative to the quarter panel????. Everything suggests that the wood is correct except that it isn't.
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11-01-2020, 09:38 AM | #10 |
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When building the bottom wood I took all of my measurements from the original and checked those measurements many times before committing them to wood.
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11-01-2020, 09:55 AM | #11 |
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Part of my trade is steel fabrication involved with equipment repair.Structural fabrication in wood or steel requires abstract thinking and rigid attention to detail. Abstract thought means you consider every possible outcome of the task,will the structure lose its integrity when disassembled?the abstract thought process also requires visualization of the tasks required to perform the repair, given the complexity of the task,even after 40 years fabrication this process can still keep me up at night.
Once the process is hammer out in the abstract I take precise measurements of all structure prior to disassembly.One of the keys to avoid this outcome is to have a point of reference,I call it a 'god',a constant to work from.In this case it would be the quarter panel,the structure would fit the quarter correctly,then fasten to the deck. Avoid reverse analyzing a failure,or attempting to fix an issue by losing structural rigidity,I would disassemble,fit to the quarter and fab a new piece once I found the issue. |
11-01-2020, 01:41 PM | #12 |
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That old floor certainly still has a lot of wood left on it. All of the frame mount holes in the sills are there enough to confirm it's fit. I think I would trust that for accuracy. The other thing I would want to confirm is whether the front doors would fit the space when the body sides are in place. The cowl only mounts one way so that may confirm distance from the cowl A pillar to the rear of the body. I always use the frame to fit things up after I've made sure it's straight and square. I can only assume that your body is on the frame from the photos.
I don't know how much was left of the original sidewall wood members but they would have helped some. I wouldn't be surprised about wood kit members being long. They would let the installer do the fit up of those and there could be some variation but I agree that it likely wouldn't be a whole inch but nothing surprises me much anymore. It looks like the rear of the sills had some rot but I can't tell how much. If there are signs left of placement locations then it would still have to be guesstimated a bit. The drop floor bodys were similar but most of the difference was in the back end there. It makes me wonder if some of the wood was the same or not between the two. I don't know if this will help or not: http://classiccardb.com/ford/382106-...t-engine-.html Last edited by rotorwrench; 11-01-2020 at 03:11 PM. |
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