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hb32 · 11-21-2018, 08:00 PM

I am somewhat versed in wiring but could use some pictorial help. Searching the forums but no luck yet. Installed a flathead in my 32 pickup and when I ordered the harness from Tyree Harris, I got one for a 4 cylinder as that was the plan. I am staying 6 volt and was planning on positive ground as well. I want to install a starter solenoid as but see that there are 2 options, grounded base and one that isn’t. So many questions, which solenoid, how do I connect wiring ? Also keeping the pull start cable that the 4 cylinder had and have sourced a pull switch. Thanks

FireEngineMike · 11-21-2018, 08:16 PM

Call Tyree. He will be able to help you.

Pat/Ohio · 11-21-2018, 08:33 PM

Keeping the Model B type pull start cable might be a little tricky in that the starter on the 4 cylinder was mounted on the driver's side of the motor and the V8 starter is mounted on the passenger side. The Model B cable was connected to the switch mounted on top of the starter.

The 4 cylinder starter switch was a "pull type" switch and the V-8 switch is a "push" type switch. It's probably been done...just haven't seen one.

Good luck,
Pat

Bob C · 11-21-2018, 08:57 PM

Ford used the isolated ground, the start button supplied the ground.
I don't think they used a solenoid until 1937.

JSeery · 11-21-2018, 09:10 PM

Any reason you are going about this in this manner? Seems to be making it more difficult than it needs to be.

hb32 · 11-21-2018, 09:24 PM

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Thanks for the replies. Regarding the starter switch, Cole Hersee p/n 9109 is a pull switch which I will mount remotely and run power through it to the starter. I was using the solenoid for an upgrade from the pre 38 system.

JSeery · 11-21-2018, 09:37 PM

Is this the switch you are looking at? If so, it is rated at 10A on 12v, that is no where near the amperage required if directly connected to the starter. Starters can pull over a hundred amps. It requires a solenoid specifically designed for starter amperage. Are you using this switch to energize a starter solenoid located somewhere else? That would work. If using an early v8 dash mounded starter solenoid all that the switch would have to do is provide a ground.

SKU: 9109
NORMALLY OFF 10A@12VDC 2 SCREWS W/LOCKWASHER USE WITH CABLE OR LEVER MOUNT

40cpe · 11-21-2018, 09:41 PM

but it would supply power to operate a solenoid if that is what he meant?

hb32 · 11-21-2018, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by JSeery

Is this the switch you are looking at? If so, it is rated at 10A on 12v, that is no where near the amperage required. Starters can pull up into the hundreds of amps. It requires a solenoid specifically designed for starter amperage.

SKU: 9109
NORMALLY OFF 10A@12VDC 2 SCREWS W/LOCKWASHER USE WITH CABLE OR LEVER MOUNT

Yes it is and hence one of the thoughts on using a solenoid

JSeery · 11-21-2018, 09:57 PM

I edited my post in #7. If this switch is used to provide a ground to a dash mounted flathead v8 style starter solenoid, it would work fine.

hb32 · 11-21-2018, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by JSeery

I edited my post in #7. If this switch is used to provide a ground to a dash mounted flathead v8 style starter solenoid, it would work fine.

Thanks and appreciate the input and expertise you provide. Just researching more and determined that I need a 6 volt solenoid to handle the current Looks like a Cole Hersee 24097 May be the one I need.

JSeery · 11-22-2018, 08:19 PM

That solenoid will work, but will require somewhat screwy wiring. A better option IMO would be an original Ford v8 style and either use a push button switch for the ground or the pull style switch you posted earlier.

hb32 · 11-22-2018, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by JSeery

That solenoid will work, but will require somewhat screwy wiring. A better option IMO would be an original Ford v8 style and either use a push button switch for the ground or the pull style switch you posted earlier.

Can you give me a p/n for the solenoid?

51 MERC-CT · 11-22-2018, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by hb32

Can you give me a p/n for the solenoid?

No part number but available from Dennis Carpenter on Ebay-----

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1937-51-FOR...6Ij:rk:34:pf:0

Charlie Stephens · 11-23-2018, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by hb32

I am somewhat versed in wiring but could use some pictorial help. Searching the forums but no luck yet. Installed a flathead in my 32 pickup and when I ordered the harness from Tyree Harris, I got one for a 4 cylinder as that was the plan. I am staying 6 volt and was planning on positive ground as well. I want to install a starter solenoid as but see that there are 2 options, grounded base and one that isn’t. So many questions, which solenoid, how do I connect wiring ? Also keeping the pull start cable that the 4 cylinder had and have sourced a pull switch. Thanks

Any reason you want to install a solenoid instead of just using the original V8 starter switch? Note that it was also used on the later fours in 1932.

Charlie Stephens

JSeery · 11-23-2018, 11:43 AM

Starter Solenoid 01A-11450 There are different numbers for different years but any will work. The pushbutton on the bottom is handy for trouble shooting. Also, 64-10021

hb32 · 11-23-2018, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by JSeery

Starter Solenoid 01A-11450 There are different numbers for different years but any will work. The pushbutton on the bottom is handy for trouble shooting. Also, 64-10021

Thanks and gives me something to look for.

hb32 · 11-23-2018, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Charlie Stephens

Any reason you want to install a solenoid instead of just using the original V8 starter switch? Note that it was also used on the later fours in 1932.

Charlie Stephens

I am utilizing the cable as it is there and want the modern conveniences of the solenoid. My pickup was an original banger that I have replaced with a 59a and do not have the 32 starter or the mechanism for a floor mounted button.

Tinker · 11-25-2018, 09:19 PM

Might as well rewire it also to have a voltage regulator then and eliminate the cutout. 40's on.

I like my stomp starter on my 36. But I'm weird.

Tinker · 11-25-2018, 09:40 PM

With very little effort you could use the floor starter and solenoid. If you choose too. It's just a ground to starter connection. Floor starter and the bash button is just a on/off switch. No more no less. Stomps were just a straight battery 6 to starter. Later dash button just allowed a smaller wire to activate the solenoid to trigger full volts/amps to starter.

Could do the same with the stomp switch vs the button. Depending on your harness, and rerouting a single starter wire.

11-21-2018, 08:00 PM	#1
hb32 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Nanaimo Vancouver Island B.C. Canada Posts: 1,067	Wiring help needed I am somewhat versed in wiring but could use some pictorial help. Searching the forums but no luck yet. Installed a flathead in my 32 pickup and when I ordered the harness from Tyree Harris, I got one for a 4 cylinder as that was the plan. I am staying 6 volt and was planning on positive ground as well. I want to install a starter solenoid as but see that there are 2 options, grounded base and one that isn’t. So many questions, which solenoid, how do I connect wiring ? Also keeping the pull start cable that the 4 cylinder had and have sourced a pull switch. Thanks

11-21-2018, 08:16 PM	#2
FireEngineMike Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Webster, NY Posts: 215	Re: Wiring help needed Call Tyree. He will be able to help you.

11-21-2018, 08:33 PM	#3
Pat/Ohio Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Wilmington, OH/Lakeland, FL Posts: 951	Re: Wiring help needed Keeping the Model B type pull start cable might be a little tricky in that the starter on the 4 cylinder was mounted on the driver's side of the motor and the V8 starter is mounted on the passenger side. The Model B cable was connected to the switch mounted on top of the starter. The 4 cylinder starter switch was a "pull type" switch and the V-8 switch is a "push" type switch. It's probably been done...just haven't seen one. Good luck, Pat

11-21-2018, 08:57 PM	#4
Bob C Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: So Cal Posts: 8,741	Re: Wiring help needed Ford used the isolated ground, the start button supplied the ground. I don't think they used a solenoid until 1937.

11-21-2018, 09:24 PM	#6
hb32 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Nanaimo Vancouver Island B.C. Canada Posts: 1,067	Re: Wiring help needed Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Thanks for the replies. Regarding the starter switch, Cole Hersee p/n 9109 is a pull switch which I will mount remotely and run power through it to the starter. I was using the solenoid for an upgrade from the pre 38 system.

11-21-2018, 09:41 PM	#8
40cpe Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Star, MS Posts: 4,024	Re: Wiring help needed but it would supply power to operate a solenoid if that is what he meant?

11-21-2018, 09:57 PM	#10
JSeery Member Emeritus Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Wichita KS Posts: 16,132	Re: Wiring help needed I edited my post in #7. If this switch is used to provide a ground to a dash mounted flathead v8 style starter solenoid, it would work fine.

11-22-2018, 08:19 PM	#12
JSeery Member Emeritus Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Wichita KS Posts: 16,132	Re: Wiring help needed That solenoid will work, but will require somewhat screwy wiring. A better option IMO would be an original Ford v8 style and either use a push button switch for the ground or the pull style switch you posted earlier.

11-25-2018, 09:19 PM	#19
Tinker Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: MN Posts: 7,053	Re: Wiring help needed Might as well rewire it also to have a voltage regulator then and eliminate the cutout. 40's on. I like my stomp starter on my 36. But I'm weird.

11-25-2018, 09:40 PM	#20
Tinker Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: MN Posts: 7,053	Re: Wiring help needed With very little effort you could use the floor starter and solenoid. If you choose too. It's just a ground to starter connection. Floor starter and the bash button is just a on/off switch. No more no less. Stomps were just a straight battery 6 to starter. Later dash button just allowed a smaller wire to activate the solenoid to trigger full volts/amps to starter. Could do the same with the stomp switch vs the button. Depending on your harness, and rerouting a single starter wire.