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11-30-2017, 06:47 PM | #1 |
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Engine Number Help
I have a late 31 Closed Cab Pickup that I recently purchased.
Was titled in Ohio using engine number 34466 as the VIN number. When I went to register in NC, DMV won't title because VIN number is inconsistent with year make model for a 31 Model A. I do agree that it's not a typical "Star xxxx Star" type number, but just assumed it's a replacement engine. Don't see any markings that it's a later diamond block. Is there any documentation for replacement engine numbering that might satisfy the DMV. So far the only "solution" they have come up with is to disassemble the vehicle to find the frame stamping. I need another solution. VIN.jpg |
11-30-2017, 06:55 PM | #2 |
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You'll probably want to raise the body and see if you can read the frame number.
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11-30-2017, 07:00 PM | #3 |
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If you have a current registration, title, and/or bill of sale from previous owner. Numbers all match, ask to see manager.
They might want to see other paperwork going back a few years, old Insurance policies, anything to confirm chain of ownership. I don’t see why you would be asked to disassemble car. You have a state title. Good luck. Enjoy. |
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I would hit another dmv and start over....................
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11-30-2017, 07:20 PM | #5 |
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This truck is too nice to start disassembling. It's a 20 year old restoration but hasn't been driven much in the last 20 years. And DMV said they wouldn't use the frame number because its not 'publicly visible'. A lot of work to find a number they won't use. They want to validate that the vehicle isn't a stolen
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If I understand you, all numbers match paperwork, right? I would ask manager what more paperwork they need and why. Here in Connecticut on cars over 20 years old you just need bill of sale and current registration from previous owner. Good luck. |
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11-30-2017, 07:45 PM | #7 |
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Can you use AAA in NC, they will work with you not against you.
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11-30-2017, 08:36 PM | #9 |
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Have clean Ohio title. Numbers on title match engine. DMV doesn't like the number, as it is 'inconsistent' for a Model A Ford. And the Engine number is in use for a 1970's vintage trailer registered to someone else. I know that Ford made engines for Model A's for years. There was a post on this forum from another owner that had a similar stamped engine, but his was a diamond block and his engine number also had no stars. Diamond blocks had another tag that indicated month & yr of manufacture.
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11-30-2017, 08:41 PM | #10 |
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Here is the link to the other thread on FordBarn with a similarly stamped engine.
Is there any documentation that indicates where these engines came from and how they were numbered ? https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showt...ghlight=pickup |
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12-01-2017, 12:26 AM | #12 |
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Your original engine was removed sometime in the past. It looks like the local mechanic replaced the engine and stamped that number or used an engine from some other thing like a combine for whatever reason and the car was retitled. If you are looking for a rhyme or reason for that specific number you will have to find the guy that stamped it and ask him as there could be a thousand reasons for doing so. The engines from the Ford motor company either had a serial number that starts with a star or nothing on it at all that could be used builders of other things.
If your car has a number that is already in use you will need to ask them how to get another from the state.
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I knew a guy in Arizona who bought a Model A in Washington and had a similar problem when trying to register the car in AZ. The Washington title used the frame number, but the engine had been changed at some point in time, so numbers didn't match. This guy was told he would have to raise the body to show the AZ DMV the frame number. So, he had a local trophy shop make a brass plate with the frame number engraved onto it. He attached it to the frame with JB Weld, then rubbed dirt and grease all over it to "age" it. He went back to the AZ DMV, raised the floorboard to show the newly made frame number, and they bought it.
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12-02-2017, 03:20 PM | #16 |
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Good afternoon to all...Many of our Model 'A's have had several engines over the years. Many engines cracked and were replaced with rebuilt ones from the engine builder's stock on hand. Normally this is the time to ask the supplier for paperwork to back up the engine switch. If the number on your engine matches your paper work then see if your state has a private registration company that can also register your 'A'. Otherwise, folks have been known to grind off the engine number and re-number the engine to match the paperwork. Also, I have known folks to go to the state 'Highway Patrol' and ask for certification that the car is not listed as stolen in the state. I have seen this work as well. Ernie
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12-02-2017, 05:08 PM | #17 |
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I think the advise of going to a different DMV office in your area is good advise. Here in Oregon, my neighbor had a similar problem with one DMV office. Went to another and got the job done. It would be worth a try.
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