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dew the 31 tudor · 02-14-2012, 07:27 PM

what is the best way to add electronic igition to my 31 A ?

Logan · 02-14-2012, 07:37 PM

Call up FS ignitions and talk to them. Google them, and you will find the website. They are the best in the game with electronic ignitions, and they have many different options to choose from. I have had one in my car for two years without a problem, and my brother has had one for about a year without a problem. Someone on this forum will most likely try to talk you out of getting one, but they are a really nice set up and reliable. I would recommend it to anyone.

Steve Wastler · 02-14-2012, 07:44 PM

John LaVoy may have some good insight into Elec. ignitions for A's

1931 flamingo · 02-14-2012, 07:49 PM

Do a search here and read the pros and cons. Most important point with any of them is a good ground. Also it's probably advisable to buy 2, and carry the spare with you. JMO
Paul in CT

Milton · 02-14-2012, 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dew the 31 tudor

what is the best way to add electronic igition to my 31 A ?

That all depends on what you want. 6 or 12v, complete dist or module, manual or centrifugal advance?

glenn in camino · 02-14-2012, 08:58 PM

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Leave it in the box. The stock distributor works just fine.

Mike V. Florida · 02-15-2012, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by glenn in camino

Leave it in the box. The stock distributor works just fine.

Spend the money on gas instead!

George Miller · 02-15-2012, 07:41 AM

My Model A has points for over 80 years they work great.

Frank Miller · 02-15-2012, 08:19 AM

For what it is worth. I would suggest running an alternator as you can get errant voltage spikes on a generator that will fry the unit. If you are going to convert to an alternator you might want to consider 12 volts. This is in case you plan to run any accessories.

I assume you have made your argument for installing an electronic unit. They work better and require less maintenance. The only downside is you cannot repair them with a screwdriver and a nail file.

BRENT in 10-uh-C · 02-15-2012, 08:23 AM

The biggest downside a few years ago was finding distributor cams that were quality enough to allow a points-equipped distributor to provide the same amount of spark and precise timing. Now Bill Stipe has made a cam that allows for more dwell time (stronger coil saturation which equals hotter spark) and more precisely ground cam lobes (more equal timing between all four cylinders) which has greatly equaled the playing field in my opinion. Couple that with a modern coil along with a top quality set of modern points & condensor, and both types of systems are pretty equally yoked in my opinion. What I have found is that may folks have tried to use an electronic set-up to mask issues such as a distributor that is in poor condition (worn plates and loose bushings). Regardless of which direction you choose, take the time to rebuild the distributor so you have a good foundation to work off of.

Oh, ...and Frank my friend, are you sure about all of that regarding alternators and how the electronic works better?? Not so sure I can 'buy-into' those thoughts of yours.

.

jerry shook · 02-15-2012, 08:27 AM

Put the fs ing and a high comp head on. And if you really wont power put the 2 barrel carb on. That is if you wont to drive with the rest of the traffic. And enjoy your a . I know a lot people disagree with me,and that ok. We all love our a and have different openions,

Tom Wesenberg · 02-15-2012, 09:03 AM

The idea of changing the ignition to modern is pointless!!

PUN intended

My stock ignition with the slant pole coil, original points, and generator puts out more spark than the plugs need. If the plugs don't miss under the most adverse conditions, such as hill climing, what's to be gained by increasing the spark, which pointless ignition may or may NOT do.

Keeping lube on the points cam and checking the gap every 3 to 5 thousand miles is just part of the fun of maintaining an antique car. Modern cars are more maintainence free, but they are also more of a throwaway automobile.

John LaVoy · 02-15-2012, 09:10 AM

We installed one in the sedan in 2008. It now has about 15,000 miles on it and is working great. We ordered one for the roadster pickup build that we will be installing once we get the body back from the paint shop. The folks at FS are good to deal with and make a great product.

Seth Swoboda · 02-15-2012, 09:14 AM

Buy a pertronix ignition and bolt it in......it's that easy. And works BETTER than a points system any day of the week. There are a ton of nay sayers on here that cry about electronic ignition systems but I have never had a problem with one. Most likely operator error & just too stubborn to change.

I have installed and ran the pertronix ignition in the following:
1. 1931 Model A Victoria
2. 1967 mustang coupe (289 engine)
3. 1939 ford pickup (59AB engine)
4. (2) John Deere 3020 gas tractors

jan bogert · 02-15-2012, 09:45 AM

i ran an F&S on my '31 coupe, also weber alum. intake with a two barrel weber carb, reds header two outlet with dual exhaust, and a t5 5speed trans. still a model a with todays upgrades. i installed the motor in my nieghbors '29 sedan. he bought it and loves it. now i up graded to a flathead. its still a model a with up grades JAN.

HoarseWhisperer · 02-15-2012, 10:06 AM

Last year on tour, one of our members won the "Rubber Chicken" award with electronic ignition.

Fortunatley, someone had a spare original dissy to get him going again, and it only delayed us 45 minutes.

TinCup · 02-15-2012, 10:08 AM

Mel and JD at FS are great guys to work with. We had them down for a hands on demonstration at one of our monthly club meetings. Many really like the units including their new unit that looks like a stock distributor.

I would put the money someplace else. I also am running stock points and like Tom says it's part of the experience with an 81 year old car.

BRENT in 10-uh-C · 02-15-2012, 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seth Swoboda

Buy a pertronix ignition and bolt it in......it's that easy. And works BETTER than a points system any day of the week. There are a ton of nay sayers on here that cry about electronic ignition systems but I have never had a problem with one. Most likely operator error & just too stubborn to change.

I have installed and ran the pertronix ignition in the following:
1. 1931 Model A Victoria
2. 1967 mustang coupe (289 engine)
3. 1939 ford pickup (59AB engine)
4. (2) John Deere 3020 gas tractors

Seth, please let me ask you to qualify your statement above.

I know you say there are a lot of "neysayers" here but many of us have spoken based on our personal experiences with them. Again, if you would be so kind, could/would you explain why you feel they are better?

msmaron · 02-15-2012, 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dew the 31 tudor

what is the best way to add electronic igition to my 31 A ?

WHY???? don't you want a Model A the way it was intended...Seems to be working fine for the last 80 years +.....JMHO!!

Purdy Swoft · 02-15-2012, 12:03 PM

I don't see the advantage of electronic ignition. There is too many little things that can render electronic ignition useless. The original distributor is very simple to repair on the road. The only time that I ever had to be towed home was because of the so called modern points. If you want hotter spark I recommend the pertronix flame thrower coil, 1.5 OHM for six volt or 3.0 Ohm for twelve volt. I also recommend the Bill Stipe points cam. This will save some money and give hotter ignition that is way more forgiving to the home model A mechanic.

02-14-2012, 07:27 PM	#1
dew the 31 tudor Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Huntington Beach Posts: 3	modernize my 31 A what is the best way to add electronic igition to my 31 A ?

02-14-2012, 07:37 PM	#2
Logan Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Fort Worth, Texas Posts: 1,055	Re: modernize my 31 A Call up FS ignitions and talk to them. Google them, and you will find the website. They are the best in the game with electronic ignitions, and they have many different options to choose from. I have had one in my car for two years without a problem, and my brother has had one for about a year without a problem. Someone on this forum will most likely try to talk you out of getting one, but they are a really nice set up and reliable. I would recommend it to anyone. __________________ Cowtown A's

02-14-2012, 07:44 PM	#3
Steve Wastler Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,987	Re: modernize my 31 A John LaVoy may have some good insight into Elec. ignitions for A's

02-14-2012, 07:49 PM	#4
1931 flamingo Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: new britain,ct 06052 Posts: 9,390	Re: modernize my 31 A Do a search here and read the pros and cons. Most important point with any of them is a good ground. Also it's probably advisable to buy 2, and carry the spare with you. JMO Paul in CT Last edited by 1931 flamingo; 02-14-2012 at 07:50 PM. Reason: add

02-14-2012, 08:58 PM	#6
glenn in camino Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Camino, CA. Posts: 3,086	Re: modernize my 31 A Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Leave it in the box. The stock distributor works just fine.

02-15-2012, 07:41 AM	#8
George Miller Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: NC Posts: 2,975	Re: modernize my 31 A My Model A has points for over 80 years they work great.

02-15-2012, 08:19 AM	#9
Frank Miller Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Auburn, MA Posts: 2,106	Re: modernize my 31 A For what it is worth. I would suggest running an alternator as you can get errant voltage spikes on a generator that will fry the unit. If you are going to convert to an alternator you might want to consider 12 volts. This is in case you plan to run any accessories. I assume you have made your argument for installing an electronic unit. They work better and require less maintenance. The only downside is you cannot repair them with a screwdriver and a nail file. __________________ “The technique of infamy is to start two lies at once and get people arguing heatedly over which is true.” ~ Ezra Pound

02-15-2012, 08:23 AM	#10
BRENT in 10-uh-C Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Eastern Tennessee Posts: 11,516	Re: modernize my 31 A The biggest downside a few years ago was finding distributor cams that were quality enough to allow a points-equipped distributor to provide the same amount of spark and precise timing. Now Bill Stipe has made a cam that allows for more dwell time (stronger coil saturation which equals hotter spark) and more precisely ground cam lobes (more equal timing between all four cylinders) which has greatly equaled the playing field in my opinion. Couple that with a modern coil along with a top quality set of modern points & condensor, and both types of systems are pretty equally yoked in my opinion. What I have found is that may folks have tried to use an electronic set-up to mask issues such as a distributor that is in poor condition (worn plates and loose bushings). Regardless of which direction you choose, take the time to rebuild the distributor so you have a good foundation to work off of. Oh, ...and Frank my friend, are you sure about all of that regarding alternators and how the electronic works better?? Not so sure I can 'buy-into' those thoughts of yours. . __________________ . BRENT in 10-uh-C . www.model-a-ford.com ...(...Finally Updated!! ) .

02-15-2012, 08:27 AM	#11
jerry shook Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 516	Re: modernize my 31 A Put the fs ing and a high comp head on. And if you really wont power put the 2 barrel carb on. That is if you wont to drive with the rest of the traffic. And enjoy your a . I know a lot people disagree with me,and that ok. We all love our a and have different openions,

02-15-2012, 09:03 AM	#12
Tom Wesenberg Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mpls, MN Posts: 27,582	Re: modernize my 31 A The idea of changing the ignition to modern is pointless!! PUN intended My stock ignition with the slant pole coil, original points, and generator puts out more spark than the plugs need. If the plugs don't miss under the most adverse conditions, such as hill climing, what's to be gained by increasing the spark, which pointless ignition may or may NOT do. Keeping lube on the points cam and checking the gap every 3 to 5 thousand miles is just part of the fun of maintaining an antique car. Modern cars are more maintainence free, but they are also more of a throwaway automobile.

02-15-2012, 09:10 AM	#13
John LaVoy Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Rocklin, CA Posts: 1,219	Re: modernize my 31 A We installed one in the sedan in 2008. It now has about 15,000 miles on it and is working great. We ordered one for the roadster pickup build that we will be installing once we get the body back from the paint shop. The folks at FS are good to deal with and make a great product.

02-15-2012, 09:14 AM	#14
Seth Swoboda Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 3,795	Re: modernize my 31 A Buy a pertronix ignition and bolt it in......it's that easy. And works BETTER than a points system any day of the week. There are a ton of nay sayers on here that cry about electronic ignition systems but I have never had a problem with one. Most likely operator error & just too stubborn to change. I have installed and ran the pertronix ignition in the following: 1. 1931 Model A Victoria 2. 1967 mustang coupe (289 engine) 3. 1939 ford pickup (59AB engine) 4. (2) John Deere 3020 gas tractors Last edited by Seth Swoboda; 02-15-2012 at 09:20 AM.

02-15-2012, 10:06 AM	#16
HoarseWhisperer Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,470	Re: modernize my 31 A Last year on tour, one of our members won the "Rubber Chicken" award with electronic ignition. Fortunatley, someone had a spare original dissy to get him going again, and it only delayed us 45 minutes. __________________ I know a lot of things; I just can't remember them all. 1928 CCPU 82-A 1931 Roadster 40-B Dlx (Canadian)

02-15-2012, 10:08 AM	#17
TinCup Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: OKC / Tonkawa, Ok. Posts: 1,977	Re: modernize my 31 A Mel and JD at FS are great guys to work with. We had them down for a hands on demonstration at one of our monthly club meetings. Many really like the units including their new unit that looks like a stock distributor. I would put the money someplace else. I also am running stock points and like Tom says it's part of the experience with an 81 year old car. __________________ Oklahoma City Model A Restorers Group.

02-15-2012, 12:03 PM	#20
Purdy Swoft Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Alabama Posts: 8,099	Re: modernize my 31 A I don't see the advantage of electronic ignition. There is too many little things that can render electronic ignition useless. The original distributor is very simple to repair on the road. The only time that I ever had to be towed home was because of the so called modern points. If you want hotter spark I recommend the pertronix flame thrower coil, 1.5 OHM for six volt or 3.0 Ohm for twelve volt. I also recommend the Bill Stipe points cam. This will save some money and give hotter ignition that is way more forgiving to the home model A mechanic.