The Ford Barn

William Kelchner · 06-25-2016, 06:17 PM

Ok will do. Its getting to the point I can take this stuff with my eyes closed..

Cheers

Quigley1930 · 06-25-2016, 09:56 PM

Bill your answer is 20 miles away. Take the beast to White Post restorations and for a few dollars and a years wait you will have solved the problem!

We had the car running daxx good for twenty minutes the other day until the gas ran out of the auxillary tank. I told him to remove the shut off valve and when he told me all looked clean I thought we had tamed the beast. When I got home I put the carb I loaned him on my coup and with no leaks it started right up and I went for a ten mile trouble free ride. I'm getting frustrated as is Bill but I AIN'T giving up. I know a good local carb man who can do what Vince suggested and pass this on to Bill.

this post is getting to the point where it's good summer reading

Sewall

tbirdtbird · 06-25-2016, 10:55 PM

"We had the car running daxx good for twenty minutes the other day until the gas ran out of the auxillary tank."

Then how can it be carb problem??

"When I got home I put the carb I loaned him on my coup and with no leaks it started right up and I went for a ten mile trouble free ride"

Then how can it be a carb problem??

Information is being gained from a diagnostic maneuver, but you are taking those results and going somewhere else with the information you are getting.
I don't understand.

Mitch//pa · 06-26-2016, 03:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tbirdtbird

"We had the car running daxx good for twenty minutes the other day until the gas ran out of the auxillary tank."

Then how can it be carb problem??

"When I got home I put the carb I loaned him on my coup and with no leaks it started right up and I went for a ten mile trouble free ride"

Then how can it be a carb problem??

Information is being gained from a diagnostic maneuver, but you are taking those results and going somewhere else with the information you are getting.
I don't understand.

Me either and why limit it to the shut off valve?

Mitch//pa · 06-26-2016, 03:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by forever4

I may make a run over from Culpeper to Warrenton if this keeps up.

My offers of help were ignored (first was #56) (second #75), not even an acknowledgment,
Or a thanks for the offers

Tom Wesenberg · 06-26-2016, 08:26 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mitch//pa

My offers of help were ignored (first was #56) (second #75), not even an acknowledgment,
Or a thanks for the offers

No good deed goes unpunished.

ddweave · 06-26-2016, 09:00 AM

I suggest trying a different ignition coil. They can do some strange things when they are failing.

tbirdtbird · 06-26-2016, 09:11 AM

Mitch, just toss a few tools in the back of the truck and head on over there and get'er done. The barners will chip in for your service charge. Today would be a good day, your shop is closed on Sundays, any way. That will be less than 400 miles on the road, and 10 minutes to fix it, so road time of 6 hrs at 60 mph, shop time minimum 1 hr, so your rate times 7 hrs, and he won't have to give the car up

Mitch//pa · 06-26-2016, 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tbirdtbird

Mitch, just toss a few tools in the back of the truck and head on over there and get'er done. The barners will chip in for your service charge. Today would be a good day, your shop is closed on Sundays, any way. That will be less than 400 miles on the road, and 10 minutes to fix it, so road time of 6 hrs at 60 mph, shop time minimum 1 hr, so your rate times 7 hrs, and he won't have to give the car up

We're closed Saturday's also

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30ccpickup · 06-26-2016, 09:57 AM

He is learning. Sometimes it gets discouraging on both ends when something is being taught.

William Kelchner · 06-26-2016, 10:03 AM

Hey Hey guys. Despite not responding to each post let me state I really appreciate and thank everyone for their input.

This has gotten to the point I seem to be playing the fool. Therefore, until I stumble across the solution I think it best I refrain for any further posting on this problem.

Again my gratitude for the encouragement and suggestions.

Bill K

George Miller · 06-26-2016, 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by William Kelchner

Hey Hey guys. Despite not responding to each post let me state I really appreciate and thank everyone for their input.

This has gotten to the point I seem to be playing the fool. Therefore, until I stumble across the solution I think it best I refrain for any further posting on this problem.

Again my gratitude for the encouragement and suggestions.

Bill K

I have to say my response was in the wrong place. It was not pointed at any one person. That is why I pulled it.

Tom Wesenberg · 06-26-2016, 01:50 PM

Bill, we need your feedback to figure out the problem. Or should I say the solution to the problem.

William Kelchner · 07-05-2016, 04:44 PM

It's ALIVE It's ALIVE. To make a long story short I took the bottom plate off the dist. I noticed the Bus Bar (I guess you can call it that) had a round hole which lined up with the condenser but it was not connected to the condenser therefore taking it out of the circuit. Connected it back up, started it up and drove (for the first time) 5 trouble free miles, no hint of coughing back through the carb.

I replaced the float valve also and got the float level correct which was not that far off.

My daughter volunteered to ride along and the first thing she said Mom keep your cell on so we can call for help..

So far so good, I'll take a longer trip tomorrow to satisfy myself. Again thanks for all the help on the forum. Really appreciate it

Hook · 07-05-2016, 05:10 PM

Bill, Glad you found the problem. Did you put that fiber washer between the screw and condenser? If not, it might short to the body of the distributor.

William Kelchner · 07-05-2016, 05:21 PM

Yep - thanks

700rpm · 07-05-2016, 05:36 PM

I refer you back to posts #2 & #15.

William Kelchner · 07-05-2016, 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 700rpm

I refer you back to posts #2 & #15.

Yes I was about to PM you on this very issue as you seemed convinced it was condenser related

My hat is off to you sir....Cheers

Bill K

William Kelchner · 07-05-2016, 06:27 PM

I also shall never forget the words of wisdom which reminded me "most carb problems are electrical

All I can say I did not know much about my A but after this we are intimate......

700rpm · 07-05-2016, 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by William Kelchner

Yes I was about to PM you on this very issue as you seemed convinced it was condenser related

My hat is off to you sir....Cheers

Bill K

Just glad you got it fixed, Bill. We want our cars running for the summer!

06-25-2016, 06:17 PM	#81
William Kelchner Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Warrenton, Va. Posts: 459	Re: 30 Zenith Carb Ok will do. Its getting to the point I can take this stuff with my eyes closed.. Cheers

06-25-2016, 09:56 PM	#82
Quigley1930 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Middleburg, Virginia Posts: 421	Re: 30 Zenith Carb Bill your answer is 20 miles away. Take the beast to White Post restorations and for a few dollars and a years wait you will have solved the problem! We had the car running daxx good for twenty minutes the other day until the gas ran out of the auxillary tank. I told him to remove the shut off valve and when he told me all looked clean I thought we had tamed the beast. When I got home I put the carb I loaned him on my coup and with no leaks it started right up and I went for a ten mile trouble free ride. I'm getting frustrated as is Bill but I AIN'T giving up. I know a good local carb man who can do what Vince suggested and pass this on to Bill. this post is getting to the point where it's good summer reading Sewall

06-25-2016, 10:55 PM	#83
tbirdtbird BANNED Join Date: May 2012 Location: inside your RAM Posts: 3,134	Re: 30 Zenith Carb "We had the car running daxx good for twenty minutes the other day until the gas ran out of the auxillary tank." Then how can it be carb problem?? "When I got home I put the carb I loaned him on my coup and with no leaks it started right up and I went for a ten mile trouble free ride" Then how can it be a carb problem?? Information is being gained from a diagnostic maneuver, but you are taking those results and going somewhere else with the information you are getting. I don't understand. __________________ '31 180A

06-26-2016, 09:00 AM	#87
ddweave Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Waterloo, IL Posts: 81	Re: 30 Zenith Carb I suggest trying a different ignition coil. They can do some strange things when they are failing. __________________ Doug in Waterloo

06-26-2016, 09:11 AM	#88
tbirdtbird BANNED Join Date: May 2012 Location: inside your RAM Posts: 3,134	Re: 30 Zenith Carb Mitch, just toss a few tools in the back of the truck and head on over there and get'er done. The barners will chip in for your service charge. Today would be a good day, your shop is closed on Sundays, any way. That will be less than 400 miles on the road, and 10 minutes to fix it, so road time of 6 hrs at 60 mph, shop time minimum 1 hr, so your rate times 7 hrs, and he won't have to give the car up __________________ '31 180A

06-26-2016, 09:57 AM	#90
30ccpickup Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Wakarusa, IN Posts: 928	Re: 30 Zenith Carb He is learning. Sometimes it gets discouraging on both ends when something is being taught. __________________ http://MODELABASICS.com/ How Things Work on a Model "A" Ford Fordbarners, Feel free to use the pictures on my site to answer questions and create tutorials/tech articles. Last edited by 30ccpickup; 06-26-2016 at 10:33 AM.

06-26-2016, 10:03 AM	#91
William Kelchner Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Warrenton, Va. Posts: 459	Re: 30 Zenith Carb Hey Hey guys. Despite not responding to each post let me state I really appreciate and thank everyone for their input. This has gotten to the point I seem to be playing the fool. Therefore, until I stumble across the solution I think it best I refrain for any further posting on this problem. Again my gratitude for the encouragement and suggestions. Bill K

06-26-2016, 01:50 PM	#93
Tom Wesenberg Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mpls, MN Posts: 27,582	Re: 30 Zenith Carb Bill, we need your feedback to figure out the problem. Or should I say the solution to the problem.

07-05-2016, 04:44 PM	#94
William Kelchner Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Warrenton, Va. Posts: 459	Re: 30 Zenith Carb It's ALIVE It's ALIVE. To make a long story short I took the bottom plate off the dist. I noticed the Bus Bar (I guess you can call it that) had a round hole which lined up with the condenser but it was not connected to the condenser therefore taking it out of the circuit. Connected it back up, started it up and drove (for the first time) 5 trouble free miles, no hint of coughing back through the carb. I replaced the float valve also and got the float level correct which was not that far off. My daughter volunteered to ride along and the first thing she said Mom keep your cell on so we can call for help.. So far so good, I'll take a longer trip tomorrow to satisfy myself. Again thanks for all the help on the forum. Really appreciate it

07-05-2016, 05:10 PM	#95
Hook Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Twin Cities Suburbs Posts: 105	Re: 30 Zenith Carb Bill, Glad you found the problem. Did you put that fiber washer between the screw and condenser? If not, it might short to the body of the distributor. __________________ 1930 Pickup in Prior Lake, MN

07-05-2016, 05:21 PM	#96
William Kelchner Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Warrenton, Va. Posts: 459	Re: 30 Zenith Carb Yep - thanks

07-05-2016, 05:36 PM	#97
700rpm Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 5,906	Re: 30 Zenith Carb I refer you back to posts #2 & #15. __________________ Ray Horton, Portland, OR As you go through life, keep your eye on the donut, not the hole.

07-05-2016, 06:27 PM	#99
William Kelchner Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Warrenton, Va. Posts: 459	Re: 30 Zenith Carb I also shall never forget the words of wisdom which reminded me "most carb problems are electrical All I can say I did not know much about my A but after this we are intimate......