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Old 10-17-2020, 06:33 PM   #1
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Default Wilwood front disc kit 140-14190

Anyone have this kit and stock design 15" steel rims?
I've got brand new rims from Wheelsmith and wondering about clearance
to the outer half of that Wilwood caliper.

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https://www.wilwood.com/brakekits/Br...emno=140-14190
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Old 10-17-2020, 07:39 PM   #2
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Default Re: Wilwood front disc kit 140-14190

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Looking at the inside surface of the Ford wheel where it bolts to the brake disc, at the level where the caliper sits, the wheel center angles OUTWARD and AWAY from the caliper. I believe the only possible interference (IF any) may be with the inside diameter of the outer hoop. Frankly, I don't see it hitting on a stock Ford wheel. DD








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Default Re: Wilwood front disc kit 140-14190

[QUOTE=1948F-1Pickup;1942609]Anyone have this kit and stock design 15" steel rims?
I've got brand new rims from Wheelsmith and wondering about clearance
to the outer half of that Wilwood caliper.]


Did you not see the clearance chart that Wilwood provides ?


You have to determine what issues you may or may not have with your wheels, not someone else's wheels.
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Default Re: Wilwood front disc kit 140-14190

I've seen the diagram. I'm going to have to make a 13.58" circle out of cardboard and see where it hits...... it's that close. My educated guess is
that the outside caliper block won't clear in the "corner."
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I've seen the diagram. I'm going to have to make a 13.58" circle out of cardboard and see where it hits...... it's that close. My educated guess is
that the outside caliper block won't clear in the "corner."
If need be you can use wheel spacers to move the wheels away from the calipers.
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If need be you can use wheel spacers to move the wheels away from the calipers.
Yes , they make them as thin as 1/8th inch . Go for it !
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FYI The supply of 15' TIRES IS GOING TO BE NOWN GRADED/. As very few new new card are using them. however the 16's will be around for quite awhile, so I;ve been told. I'm looking for a srt of Whilwood brakes for the same spindles.
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Havenít had a chance to do any measuring but my gut feeling is that the Wilwood kit wonít fit with my rims. I may develop my own kit. Iím looking into a few details right now.
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Default Re: Wilwood front disc kit 140-14190

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You likely have your mind made-up, but the Bendix-type Lincoln reproductions by MT Car Products (Boling Bros.) are a direct BOLT-ON, they FIT, the wheels FIT, they STOP for sure, and you damned-sure don't need a power booster as is necessary with MOST disc applications. $400 and use your existing Ford drums with 1-3/4" shoes, or about $670 with new 2"-wide shoes and NEW DRUMS, or for about $1,070-ish, the complete package including new, properly-fitting hubs. These brakes will stop JUST AS WELL as that disc brake kit any day of the week. Also, fellow FordBarn member Krylon32 here on the forum is an authorized dealer and I believe still honors a 10% discount. Click the link below! DD

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Old 10-20-2020, 07:37 AM   #10
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The cheapest way to go is with the speedway kit, unfortunately ths system is heaver than the stock brake drum and will cause handling problems. However for a passenger car/truck, work very well.
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I used Wheelsmith 15" rims and the Willwood D52 brake cylinders on my truck (they are on a IFS hub). I had to use wheels spacers and round over the top edges of the Willwood cylinder with a file or they would just scrape the inside of the wheel. (The D52's are kind of chunky). Of course your wheel setback will make a difference too. The Willwoods are not cheap and the MT Car Products Lincoln style brake kit may be a better solution. I installed their Lincoln style rear brakes last year and they seem very well made.
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The cheapest way to go is with the speedway kit, unfortunately ths system is heaver than the stock brake drum and will cause handling problems.
Ya know Ron, that is one of the strangest replies that I have ever heard from YOU. So....just HOW MUCH HEAVIER IS THIS SYSTEM over the stock Ford parts? And other than POSSIBLY increasing the "UNSPRUNG weight" (by WHAT amount), exactly WHAT "handling" problems will be encountered in the average '35 to '40 Ford, for instance? Can you actually substantiate such a proclamation?

One more little piece of information that I have shared in the past....I just finished verifying with the Speedway Tech folks that the "SPEEDWAY" brand Bendix/Lincoln reproduction drums and backing plates ARE NOT manufactured by MT Car Products (Boling Brothers)! This reply below from Speedway's 'tech department' this morning:


Brittany - "According to our techs they are similar in the manufacturing of the product but they are not made by MT car products, these are ours. They just happen to be very similar in appearance."

They're cheaper for a reason...'cuz they aren't the same quality as MT Car Products parts! There are numerous reports for some years now relating to inferior fit and machining of the Speedway drums. Many complaints involving being machined out of round. The Speedway drum pictures definitely show a SIMILAR, but DIFFERENT drum. Note the Speedway drum does NOT have the embossed Max Diameter of 12.090" like the MT drums have. In fact, the Speedway drums max-out at 12.060.

Like I said earlier, order your "real" MT Car Products brake parts from Krylon32 here on the 'Barn for the real deal...PLUS a decent discount!

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Sadly, any rotor & caliper combo is going to be heavier than that F-1 front drum setup. Only an aluminum caliper might have a chance at not having a weight penalty. I’m not a big fan of sliding calipers and prefer fixed. Definitely will be scrutinizing the front setup currently on there- I have the automatic adjustment hardware installed but something isn’t quite right as it has been a pain in the neck for consistency as far as pulling.
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FYI: Last year when I replaced my rear brakes from BB's I was told by BB's that Speedway was using their backing plates but not the BB's drums.
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The brakes are now Off the chassis so I can weigh them. I had the speedway disk conversion on and noticed an increase in weight over the stock 48 brakes. Now The car is a 27T roadster built for antique racing with a 258 ci flathead and handling is key to getting around the track. The weight of the axles (un sprung weight) must be controlled by the shocks & Springs to keep the wheels on the track. I learned this ny loosing many races. The lighter the axle the easier to control . When I was at Penskies they had a special fixture where they could put the complete car in and run it to het the right spring shock combination for each track. The small cost of learning.
At my age, I ve learned by somany mistaked, i should be the smartest man on earth.
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Sadly, any rotor & caliper combo is going to be heavier than that F-1 front drum setup. Only an aluminum caliper might have a chance at not having a weight penalty. Iím not a big fan of sliding calipers and prefer fixed. Definitely will be scrutinizing the front setup currently on there- I have the automatic adjustment hardware installed but something isnít quite right as it has been a pain in the neck for consistency as far as pulling.
Check out ECI for disc conversion.
They use a Ford 5 x 5 1/2 rotor with a GM caliper.
This is the same arrangement I am using on '51 Merc.
May have less clearance issues.


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If you'd like to sell the Wilwood brake assy, I'd be interested.
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Last set of Lincoln brakes a friend purchased from Speedway were Boling Bros; but the drums and hubs they sell are Speedway's own product. '

Has this changed?

Now a couple guys I have talked to were satisfied with Speedway's hubs and drums; but
I have read of problems.

If you do get some Speedway drums it does pay to check the thickness at several points around the perimeter to ensure the casting was properly centered when machined.

Really waiting to hear if anyone has tried Speedway's Buick style drum.

Speedway's & ECI disc kit that uses the F-150 rotor is heavy (and big); never thought of it on the last kit we put on; but it would have been interesting to weigh the stuff and compare to a set of Lockheeds and drums.
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Havenít had a chance to do any measuring but my gut feeling is that the Wilwood kit wonít fit with my rims. I may develop my own kit. Iím looking into a few details right now.
Got some of the development work started on my truck front disc kit. Calipers
are OE Kelsey Hayes ŗ la 65/66 Mustang. Wheel bolt pattern is 5x5.5 with
the intent of being able to use stock Ford or Wheelsmith rims. 11" rotor.
Fine-tuning brackets and other details currently.
I'll open a specific thread on this topic as I get closer to completion.
(and yes I know the whole spindle is upside-down, as that is the only way
I can clamp a right side spindle in my bench vise)
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(and yes I know the whole spindle is upside-down, as that is the only way
I can clamp a right side spindle in my bench vise)
You probably already figured out an alternative; but when doing similar work; I usually bolt a bar between my bench and the kingpin eye to hold the work out in the open and upright.
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