The Ford Barn

rockfla · 06-03-2021, 03:10 PM

Am I the "only" one confused here??? What is pictured and as described in the "original" first post AND in post #11 was said to be "similar to a fillister head" AND did not acknowledge 51MercCT's post in #11 as being correct in his post #16..... is NOWHERE near what Sheldon has pictured AND the original poster said is the screw??????? ALSO in his post #7 stated "The head is almost as long as the threads" which is as far away from a pan head screw as you can get!!!! Call me baffled or did I miss something??????

deuce lover · 06-03-2021, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DavidG

Sheldon,

That's not an easily-found fastener these days as the head diameter is that normally found on a #12 screw of the same type. They were used on early '32s to attach the dash to the cowl before the hole size was enlarged from #10 to #12.

David, I all the 60+yrs goofing around with early Fords I have kept these leftovers so if it helps someone it was worth keeping . Sheldon

46woodie · 06-03-2021, 03:34 PM

Yes rockfla, you are confused

DavidG · 06-03-2021, 04:20 PM

Sheldon,

I learned a long time ago not to throw anything away and the result is a first class mess in my hobby building, but you never know when you or someone else can make good use of the leftovers.

rockfla · 06-03-2021, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by 46woodie

Yes rockfla, you are confused

Pardon me for trying to understand and help, it won’t happen again!

46woodie · 06-03-2021, 04:26 PM

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Thank you everyone for your advice!

woodiewagon46 · 06-03-2021, 06:07 PM

Station Wagon is totally different from passenger car. What is pictured in post one is the correct "screw". It threads into the very end of the handle shaft from the inside and is visible from the inside of wooden door panel. They are not reproduced by anyone. If you have access to a small lathe it can be easily fabricated. I would take a piece of 1/2" brass round rod and bore and tap it out to 10/32. Cut the end to a small dome shape and cut the screwdriver slot. I would then use a 10/32 set screw in the length you need. Have it plated and you're done. Let me make a few phone calls and I'll get back to you.

woodiewagon46 · 06-03-2021, 06:45 PM

I just Called two of my "old reliables" that have an inventory of Woodie parts. Both have door handles but they don't have the "screws", sorry. If you don't have access to a lathe I would take the "screw" that you have and take it to a machine shop and have it fabricated and even suggest the methods I would use to fab one. Most people don't understand that Station Wagon parts are unique.

robib · 06-03-2021, 06:45 PM

Make it from stainless steel bolt whose diameter is the same size as the head. Polish the stainless and you are all done.

Pete · 06-03-2021, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by rockfla

Am I the "only" one confused here??? What is pictured and as described in the "original" first post AND in post #11 was said to be "similar to a fillister head" AND did not acknowledge 51MercCT's post in #11 as being correct in his post #16..... is NOWHERE near what Sheldon has pictured AND the original poster said is the screw??????? ALSO in his post #7 stated "The head is almost as long as the threads" which is as far away from a pan head screw as you can get!!!! Call me baffled or did I miss something??????

Times 2 on that.

It would be a 10 minute lathe job to create one.

paul2748 · 06-03-2021, 08:09 PM

If the head of the screw is below the surface of what it is holding, you should be able to make a replacement by drilling a short piece of rod for the diameter of the screw and using a pan head screw get the same effect. Length of the drilled rod would depend on the thickness of the pan head and the short piece of drilled rod so it would match the head height of the original.

woodiewagon46 · 06-04-2021, 02:48 PM

I might have a fairly easy solution for you. I don't know if you have ever dealt with McMaster Carr, but if you haven't they will sell to the general public. Check out part number 93230A645 its a 1/2" x 1/2" stainless steel spacer with a #10 hole in the center. Use that in conjunction with part number 91792A833, stainless steel, 10,32 x 1" domed shaped screw. Nobody will ever know the difference. Check out the part numbers on the MMC website and you can get a clear picture of what I'm describing.

46woodie · 06-05-2021, 03:51 PM

Sounds like a good solution woodywagon but Ill continue to look awhile longer. Handle wont fall off and looking at pics online some cars dont even have them anymore. Im sure Ford thought the 2 wood screws in the door may be weak after several years and handle tear off, he added this screw as reassurance. Meantime I'll look then use other solution if I dont find the correct screw,thanks

woodiewagon46 · 06-05-2021, 07:12 PM

Yeah, old Henry had the best engineers in the world. If he could save a dollar he would.

46woodie · 06-06-2021, 07:31 AM

Also thanks for the tip on Restoration Specialties! Been going to west coast shops to find parts,no more,these guys have everything!

06-03-2021, 03:10 PM	#21
rockfla Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Jacksonville FL Posts: 3,948	Re: Identiy type of machine screw 46 woodie door handle Am I the "only" one confused here??? What is pictured and as described in the "original" first post AND in post #11 was said to be "similar to a fillister head" AND did not acknowledge 51MercCT's post in #11 as being correct in his post #16..... is NOWHERE near what Sheldon has pictured AND the original poster said is the screw??????? ALSO in his post #7 stated "The head is almost as long as the threads" which is as far away from a pan head screw as you can get!!!! Call me baffled or did I miss something?????? Last edited by rockfla; 06-03-2021 at 03:18 PM.

06-03-2021, 03:34 PM	#23
46woodie Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 361	Re: Identiy type of machine screw 46 woodie door handle Yes rockfla, you are confused

06-03-2021, 04:20 PM	#24
DavidG Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: southeastern Michigan Posts: 10,101	Re: Identiy type of machine screw 46 woodie door handle Sheldon, I learned a long time ago not to throw anything away and the result is a first class mess in my hobby building, but you never know when you or someone else can make good use of the leftovers.

06-03-2021, 04:26 PM	#26
46woodie Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 361	Re: Identiy type of machine screw 46 woodie door handle Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Thank you everyone for your advice!

06-03-2021, 06:07 PM	#27
woodiewagon46 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Long Island,NY Posts: 1,555	Re: Identiy type of machine screw 46 woodie door handle Station Wagon is totally different from passenger car. What is pictured in post one is the correct "screw". It threads into the very end of the handle shaft from the inside and is visible from the inside of wooden door panel. They are not reproduced by anyone. If you have access to a small lathe it can be easily fabricated. I would take a piece of 1/2" brass round rod and bore and tap it out to 10/32. Cut the end to a small dome shape and cut the screwdriver slot. I would then use a 10/32 set screw in the length you need. Have it plated and you're done. Let me make a few phone calls and I'll get back to you.

06-03-2021, 06:45 PM	#28
woodiewagon46 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Long Island,NY Posts: 1,555	Re: Identiy type of machine screw 46 woodie door handle I just Called two of my "old reliables" that have an inventory of Woodie parts. Both have door handles but they don't have the "screws", sorry. If you don't have access to a lathe I would take the "screw" that you have and take it to a machine shop and have it fabricated and even suggest the methods I would use to fab one. Most people don't understand that Station Wagon parts are unique.

06-03-2021, 06:45 PM	#29
robib Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Canton, Ct Posts: 36	Re: Identiy type of machine screw 46 woodie door handle Make it from stainless steel bolt whose diameter is the same size as the head. Polish the stainless and you are all done.

06-03-2021, 08:09 PM	#31
paul2748 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Midland Park, NJ Posts: 3,981	Re: Identiy type of machine screw 46 woodie door handle If the head of the screw is below the surface of what it is holding, you should be able to make a replacement by drilling a short piece of rod for the diameter of the screw and using a pan head screw get the same effect. Length of the drilled rod would depend on the thickness of the pan head and the short piece of drilled rod so it would match the head height of the original. __________________ 48 Ford Conv 56 Tbird 54 Ford Victoria

06-04-2021, 02:48 PM	#32
woodiewagon46 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Long Island,NY Posts: 1,555	Re: Identiy type of machine screw 46 woodie door handle I might have a fairly easy solution for you. I don't know if you have ever dealt with McMaster Carr, but if you haven't they will sell to the general public. Check out part number 93230A645 its a 1/2" x 1/2" stainless steel spacer with a #10 hole in the center. Use that in conjunction with part number 91792A833, stainless steel, 10,32 x 1" domed shaped screw. Nobody will ever know the difference. Check out the part numbers on the MMC website and you can get a clear picture of what I'm describing.

06-05-2021, 03:51 PM	#33
46woodie Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 361	Re: Identiy type of machine screw 46 woodie door handle Sounds like a good solution woodywagon but Ill continue to look awhile longer. Handle wont fall off and looking at pics online some cars dont even have them anymore. Im sure Ford thought the 2 wood screws in the door may be weak after several years and handle tear off, he added this screw as reassurance. Meantime I'll look then use other solution if I dont find the correct screw,thanks

06-05-2021, 07:12 PM	#34
woodiewagon46 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Long Island,NY Posts: 1,555	Re: Identiy type of machine screw 46 woodie door handle Yeah, old Henry had the best engineers in the world. If he could save a dollar he would.

06-06-2021, 07:31 AM	#35
46woodie Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 361	Re: Identiy type of machine screw 46 woodie door handle Also thanks for the tip on Restoration Specialties! Been going to west coast shops to find parts,no more,these guys have everything!