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Old 03-02-2021, 02:17 PM   #1
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Default Sealing oil leaks?

Forum search did not find any hits, so am I first one trying to stop engine leaks?
From what I know my Ford wasn't started for several months and I could not start it for few days -waiting for new battery.
At the beginning I had constant drip from front seal. Not big, but in a week it made 4" spot.
Then I drove the car for couple of miles and when warm- I washed the engine with garden hose.
Now front seal stop dripping (love when things fix themselves) but I noticed smaller drip from rear seal and somewhere in starter area as well.
I know that back in 1922 the neoprene seals did not exist, so is there aftermarket supplier where I can buy upgraded seals?
Also my oil level is at max, so would lowering it 1/2" slow the leaks?
BTW my 2017 Ford F350 develop oil pan leak at 20k miles on Ford's flagship 6.7 diesel, so seems some things are unsolvable.
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Old 03-02-2021, 05:47 PM   #2
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Actually K seeing that it's March I knew this wasn't an April Fools pun T's weep, T's drip and there are some remedies and upgraded gaskets available.

I would suggest getting the 2 volumes of "Tinker'in tips" that have some good ideas to "slow down" the bleeding if you will.

Langs does have the newer seal material for the crank and upgraded seal for the cam.

Can't speak for your particular "modern" F350, my 2005 econoline puuurs like a kitten and does not leak a drop with 50+ currently. Might be an easy fix let us know how you make out.
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Old 03-02-2021, 05:52 PM   #3
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Well... to some degree I expected that kind of reply, but I am die-hard DIY hobbyist and have more time to play than mechanic.
Some on this forum might be familiar with Detroit 2-cycle diesels as famous for leaving oil puddle.
I bought 1972 bus conversion with this engine when it was close to 40 yo and managed to make it bone dry.
What gave me the idea on T is fact that the rear was dry before and is wet now.
Front was wet before and is dry now. All it takes is figure out the dry part

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Old 03-02-2021, 06:54 PM   #4
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"mtfca; oil leak" have fun reading!
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Old 03-03-2021, 12:28 PM   #5
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Tried to register on mtfca, but they have those confirmation questions, that I can't answer right.
Was 3-speed and V6 available on Model T ?
WTH is thermo siphon?
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Old 03-03-2021, 02:45 PM   #6
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Found about thermo siphon.
Nice video explaining things on 1922 model T.
Even I have the same year, we do have some differences.
My suspension also has coil springs. Is it something added later?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7xPzuYRC6g
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Tried to register on mtfca, but they have those confirmation questions, that I can't answer right.
Was 3-speed and V6 available on Model T ?
WTH is thermo siphon?
Whoa......wait a minute here fella, you mean to tell us you have a model T and not sure if a V6 was available and not sure how natural convection works on the radiator and your initial concern is an oil leak. Come on Bro are you pull'in my leg.

Car guy advice... Buy the black Bible, aka. Model T service and the Model T Ford Owner by Murray Fahnestock aka The Dean of vintage Ford experts.

Read both publications COVER TO COVER and then get back to us, should shed some light on your dilemma
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Old 03-03-2021, 09:00 PM   #8
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You don't have to sign up to read the forums. Just google what I posted and you will get lots of hits. Also get a copy of the Owners Manual. All the parts dealers will carry them. They were written for first time car owners and full of good information.
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Old 03-03-2021, 11:17 PM   #9
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Read both publications COVER TO COVER and then get back to us, should shed some light on your dilemma
Why would I care if Model T could be available with V6 or 3- speeds?
I already learned that kerosene lamps were to avoid scarring horses when entering city streets.
When it is funny information, what is the use of it today?
Thanks for voting your opinion.
Right now I am numbered out from registering on other forum, so have to wait unspecified time for counter to reset.
Ford still waits for starter relay before I will work on it as I also have Sprinter project, so have to divide my time.
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Old 03-04-2021, 12:56 AM   #10
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The question(s) is/are to weed people out that really don't have an interests in Model T's. The lamps were for when the car was parked or used for marker lights when the bulbs in the magneto powered bulbs burned out and had nothing to do with horses.
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Old 03-04-2021, 01:19 AM   #11
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You don't need to join MTFCA to find answers there.

Google Search your question like this: "MTFCA oil leaks"

This is something that has been discussed many times on MTFCA, archived, and will show up in a search.


There are some really good people on MTFCA forum, and some real curmudgeons, but if you ask a basic question about oil leaks without doing a little homework first someone is likely to jump on you.

I recommend joining either Model T Ford Owners on Facebook or Model T Ford Club of Facebook, explain that you are a first time owner and ask away.
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Gentlemen, seems to have turned out to be a "Cool hand Luke" moment. Hey...we tried.
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I still can't get my answers on MTFCA right.
I put 3-speed
V6
clock
timer
as not available on T and it mark it wrong.
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Old 03-04-2021, 11:13 AM   #14
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Yes there is a timer on a Model T. Yours may have an aftermarket distributor? The timer is what sends the signal to the coils to fire. Fits on the front end of the motor and is driven by the cam shaft. Again, "mtfca; timer" or even just "Model T Ford timer"
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Thanks red, that worked.
Sounds like you need to be expert to register on other T forum .
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Some of us spent time with our noses in books before we even had our first "Old Car". Than along the way had to re-learn a lot that hog -wash & wife's tails. You will get there.
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Thanks red, that worked.
Sounds like you need to be expert to register on other T forum .
The majority of the people on MTFCA are knowledgeable and friendly, but there are some cranky codgers who get tired of newbie questions. I identified myself as a newbie who knew nothing of T's and started asking questions, many ignorant, about getting a TT I bought going. They gave me so much hell I left.

I still get info I need by googling the site with my questions, but I don't need to belong or post.

I now have 2 TT's, a speedster, and a '26 Fordor. I drove my T's over 3000 miles last year. I don't need the MTFCA and their self-righteous crap to get answers.

I am still learning and T's are fun!

So just google your questions, or join a FaceBook Model T group.
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Old 03-05-2021, 09:29 PM   #18
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Starter relay?
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Old 03-05-2021, 09:56 PM   #19
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Starter relay?
Yes. I found 6V relay for 1/4 price the usual suppliers want for imitation of original switch.
From the look of burned switch it was newer installation who had some design flaw, so when the relay is already in, I am waiting for starter switch, who will be ignition -operated.
1 more safety feature.

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Most that would bypass the starter switch would install; https://www.modeltford.com/item/A-STSOL-6.aspx with push button someplace within reach of the driver. Not sure what you are showing in above photo? Is your car 12 volts?
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I found NAPA Solenoid. Might be the same Lang's is selling, just different label.
The switch doesn't care what voltage you use it for. I am taking a chance with the switch above, who is electronic switch with unknow amp rating, but coming from China it is very cheap. It is flat, so I can glue it anywhere.
Any other switches are much taller and would have require drilling a hole.
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I found Lang's is also having starter switches, who I hope will operate ignition like the old one. No good description, so I posted a question.
My original ignition switch is beaten up, so maybe I will go this route.

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Old 03-06-2021, 01:33 PM   #22
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In my OP: As far as the shown switch goes, you would rather glue that ugly switch somewhere over drilling a small hole on the drivers side seat riser (which is were many put it)? A momentary switch would only stick out about 1/2-5/8". Those wires might be fine for 12 volts, but might be too light for 6. You are going to have a good amount of current flowing to the magnet in the solenoid which is why 6 volt wires are larger then 12. Do you have a number on the switch at Lang's? The original ignition switch on the panel is just a simple on/off/on.
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Ignition switch is https://www.modeltford.com/item/A-STSOLK.aspx
I might have some time today to take old switch out for inspection. But even if I fix electrical contacts, the tumbler is pretty wear out and I think screwdriver will turn it.
So putting new ignition switch would solve few issues in single job.
My generator is not charging, at least per the ammeter and having spare VR I plan to put it in. Anything else to observe?
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If you use the switch shown in the link, you will have to mount it elsewhere. If you mount in place of the tumbler you will loose the light switch.

I have asked but you have not posted a reply; are you running a distributor and is the car setup for 6 or 12 volts?

Have you put a meter on the generator post to check output?
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I have original 6V
The Lang's description says it is ignition switch for Model T, that is why I was hoping it would be direct replacement with starter upgrade.
I will wait for them to answer the question, unless you already have experience with this switch?
Friends invited us for BBQ this afternoon, so here goes my generator testing.
Have a nice weekend.
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It is not a direct replacement.
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Why do you need a starter relay?
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I need starter switch and starter relay seems better option.
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I need starter switch and starter relay seems better option.
An option of course, but a better one?
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Maybe not better but an awful lot of people do it. Many as a safety thing others like me, have a hard time getting our heel on the starter button, loss of mobility in my left ankle so my 25 will be getting one.
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The ebay solenoid come defected, but I found on amazon another one, who is direct replacement for later Ford solenoids https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Lang's did not answer my question about their ignition switch, but I took original switch apart and it is integrated switch with headlights switch, so I confirm it will not fit model T directly.
Original switch comes apart with small twist and contacts are easy to clean, so I decided to put starter switch hidden under the dashboard. Unfortunately the original ignition switch directs the battery power to coils, so I can't use it for start button activation, or maybe I can?
Funny observation, yesterday doing grocery shopping a guy in front of me was carrying .... steering wheel. I wonder what it was, but concluded that he had to drive some kind of project car and having no other security- taking steering wheel with him was the solution.
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Hey Red....My 19 came without a starter but one can be added, which I did.
I put the switch on the floor out or the way so far that I couldn’t reach it, but carry a 2 ft 1x2 as a starting aid
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UPDATE.
6V solenoid come with ground activation, so running it via ignition was not an option.
I bought nice , flat, start switch, but it turned to be electronic switch with some circuit board, so I found small limit switch in my garage junk, who I bolted under the dashboard for starter activation.
Works pretty well.
I changed the oil and put 10W50 for hot summer, while filling it only 1/2 of the sight glass. (3 quarts)
So far that seems to stop the drips on park car. Will do more driving in coming days, so I will see how it works on hot engine.
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Growing up there was an acronym RIF, reading is fundamental.

Everyone deserves a second chance, Fordbarn thrives on knowledge and helping others in the hobby.

O.K. lets try this again......not sure how your solenoid adventure correlates with "sealing oil leaks" but you seem to be all over the map, so back on topic.

The T should take 4 (four) quarts and just start to drip out the upper petcock.

As previously posted, having some general publications regarding ownership and service of the model T would help in the "question marathon" and guessing game in regards to ownership and proper "service" of a model T.

More concerned with that poor T....it's really not that hard fella, the model T has been around for over 100 years with millions of miles driven.

Just a little understanding of what you got and need to do.....FROM READING
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Did they have any variations between oil pans?
My oil was at the top of sight glass and I collected less than 3.5 qt, having it dripping overnight.
Fact is that engine was just warm, not hot, so maybe I had some cold oil staying in the passages.
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The bolted on lower cover holds a half of quart or so in the "oil dips" depending if it's a 3 dip or 4 dip.
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