Go Back   The Ford Barn > General Discussion > Late V8 (1954+)

Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 12-14-2011, 10:03 PM   #1
krwilson5
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 17
Default single barrel hollys

I'm looking for help with the single barrel Holly on my 57 Wagon. Yep, its a 223 six. The car came with two carbs, one on the car and a spare that I now believe may be the original carb. The one on the car has a very small venturi and no power valve. The main jet is a 40. Performance and drivability is pretty poor with this carb. The other carb has a much larger venturi, a power valve and a 66 main jet. It also has the glass fuel bowl while the smaller carb does not. I want to rebuild one of these carbs or if neither is right get another to rebuild. Can anyone help me figure out the right carb and which jet to use? Thanks.
krwilson5 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-14-2011, 11:37 PM   #2
46yblock
Senior Member
 
46yblock's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: S. Oregon
Posts: 304
Default Re: single barrel hollys

The small carb sounds like one for a 144/170 I-6. The larger with glass bowl fits the description of a Model 1904 for 215/223. It would be a List 1415-A, which should be on the carb. Ford number is EBP9510. Check the center to center dimension of the base holes for match to intake. Also look for throttle linkage compatibility. But the 1904 is the model you want. As for jet size, dont know. 66 seems too big. Try 58, if too rich then 53, and step down until plugs look good.

If you wait a couple days, I have a 1904 in the shop I've been meaning to get to, and can see what it has for a jet.
__________________
Mike, S. Oregon 46 Ford 1/2 ton, '62 Merc Meteor S33, '54 Ford 600 tractor, '64 Falcon Futura, 1960 Thunderbird

Last edited by 46yblock; 12-15-2011 at 09:20 AM.
46yblock is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)
Old 12-15-2011, 10:11 AM   #3
Ole Don
Senior Member
 
Ole Don's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: St. Michael, Minnesota
Posts: 1,635
Default Re: single barrel hollys

My grandpa had a 57 with a six new, it had a glass bowl carb.
Ole Don is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-15-2011, 10:52 AM   #4
ken ct
BANNED
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: stratford,ct
Posts: 5,971
Default Re: single barrel hollys

Glass bowl started in 52 was phased out by 53-54 and went to a metal bowl,same carb but too many people were breaking the bowls LOL. 1904 is the correct one. They were made in AT and SS models and were very slightly diff. ken ct.
ken ct is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-15-2011, 02:32 PM   #5
46yblock
Senior Member
 
46yblock's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: S. Oregon
Posts: 304
Default Re: single barrel hollys

OK here is the report. My carb is an EBP9510, List 800. The id was stamped on the flat spot beside the fuel inlet. The later list number above must be for one of the metal fuel bowls like mentioned by ken CT. The jet is 66! A fairly good confirmation there. It looks like the model 1904 was also made for Chevy and Rambler, but they wouldnt have the Ford number, and would have different List #s.

It looks like a cool little unit. I read somewhere that there was a lot of innovative engineering that went into the 1904s. Good Luck.
__________________
Mike, S. Oregon 46 Ford 1/2 ton, '62 Merc Meteor S33, '54 Ford 600 tractor, '64 Falcon Futura, 1960 Thunderbird
46yblock is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-15-2011, 10:21 PM   #6
Daves55Sedan
Senior Member
 
Daves55Sedan's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Granite City, Illinois
Posts: 2,275
Default Re: single barrel hollys

Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)
The carb with the glass bowl is a Holley 1904 and it would be the correct carb for a 223 I-block 6 cyl.
If you do rebuild this carb, do NOT use the fuel inlet fitting and needle provided in the rebuild kit. If you DO use the rebuild parts, you will need to add a fuel pressure regulator ahead of the carb. And you will replace the fuel pressure regulator every 12 months because they will fail within that time frame.
Daves55Sedan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-15-2011, 10:25 PM   #7
Daves55Sedan
Senior Member
 
Daves55Sedan's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Granite City, Illinois
Posts: 2,275
Default Re: single barrel hollys

Try this link for the Holley 1904
http://www.oldcarmanualproject.com/m...1953/index.htm
Daves55Sedan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-15-2011, 10:35 PM   #8
Daves55Sedan
Senior Member
 
Daves55Sedan's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Granite City, Illinois
Posts: 2,275
Default Re: single barrel hollys

The link below will take you to FORDSIX. A LOT of guys mess around with the Ford 215 and 223 I-block 6 cyls. Go to the board index and find VINTAGE Ford sixes. My tag in there is Daves55Courier
http://fordsix.com/forum/index.php?s...f1fe47cbe7d3f7
Daves55Sedan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-16-2011, 09:42 PM   #9
krwilson5
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 17
Default Re: single barrel hollys

Wow, great info guys. This will really help! Daves55Sedan, those links are unreal. It looks like I will be doing a lot of reading before i do any rebuilding. Thanks again.
krwilson5 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-17-2011, 12:50 AM   #10
46yblock
Senior Member
 
46yblock's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: S. Oregon
Posts: 304
Default Re: single barrel hollys

One source for rebuild kit is ebay member graygracey . I ordered a kit today for $30 and $6 shipping. He sells many carb kits. You may need to send him a message via ebay. He said the kits for the Chevy carbs were the same as for the Fords (215/223).
__________________
Mike, S. Oregon 46 Ford 1/2 ton, '62 Merc Meteor S33, '54 Ford 600 tractor, '64 Falcon Futura, 1960 Thunderbird
46yblock is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-29-2011, 04:08 PM   #11
scicala
Senior Member
 
scicala's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Detroit suburb, MI
Posts: 3,160
Default Re: single barrel hollys

46yblock, I have the Holley Spec sheet for a Holley LIST 800 (54-55 Ford 223 w/ std. and auto trans) It says the main jet size is 66, so can't see any reason to change it. Hope this helps out.
scicala is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-30-2011, 08:50 PM   #12
krwilson5
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 17
Default Re: single barrel hollys

Thanks, Scicala, 66 it is. Just like 46Yblock said he found. I noticed though, that the jet in my 1904 has been mistreated. It looks like it was drilled out. the hole is bell shaped and off center. at any rate it is toast. Are these available new? I checked a site that carries just about any hole size for Holleys and they seem to fit just about all the Holleys, but not sure that they fit the old 1904. The thread size quoted was 1/4-32. Anyone know if the newer jets are the same as the old? It's time to get all those carb guts off my bench and back on the car.
krwilson5 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-30-2011, 11:03 PM   #13
46yblock
Senior Member
 
46yblock's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: S. Oregon
Posts: 304
Default Re: single barrel hollys

Yes the jets are readily available, likely at your local auto parts store. Thread sizes havent changed. They have to be bought in pairs, so may as well replace both originals.
__________________
Mike, S. Oregon 46 Ford 1/2 ton, '62 Merc Meteor S33, '54 Ford 600 tractor, '64 Falcon Futura, 1960 Thunderbird
46yblock is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-03-2012, 09:43 PM   #14
krwilson5
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 17
Default Re: single barrel hollys

Thanks Mike, I'll get a set on the way.
krwilson5 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-06-2012, 02:16 PM   #15
marcshall
Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: duncan BC canada
Posts: 63
Default Re: single barrel hollys

i bought a rebuild 1904 from my local auto store for $140 . i asked for a 1956 ford truck 6 cyls carb , i put it on my 1933 model b motor with a fuel pump .thats two years ago and works very well
marcshall is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-20-2012, 05:02 PM   #16
ken ct
BANNED
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: stratford,ct
Posts: 5,971
Default Re: single barrel hollys

Quote:
Originally Posted by krwilson5 View Post
Thanks, Scicala, 66 it is. Just like 46Yblock said he found. I noticed though, that the jet in my 1904 has been mistreated. It looks like it was drilled out. the hole is bell shaped and off center. at any rate it is toast. Are these available new? I checked a site that carries just about any hole size for Holleys and they seem to fit just about all the Holleys, but not sure that they fit the old 1904. The thread size quoted was 1/4-32. Anyone know if the newer jets are the same as the old? It's time to get all those carb guts off my bench and back on the car.
1/4x32 is correct thread size for holley jets. Their a tapered seat NO gasket is used. ken ct. I may have some .066 if you cant find any.
ken ct is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-26-2014, 07:26 PM   #17
my55customline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: BX NY
Posts: 4
Send a message via AIM to my55customline
Default Re: single barrel hollys

HI I,M NEW HERE I HAVE 55 FORD CUSTOMLINE WITH A 223 MOTOR I WHAT TO KNOW WHAT CARBURETOR IS USED I UNDERSTAND IT USE HOLLEY 1904 BUT I CONFUSE WITH THE CARBURETOR BECAUSE I SEE WITH SPARK CONTROL VALVE AND NONE SPARK CONTROL VALVE I NEED HELP THANK
my55customline is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-26-2014, 10:20 PM   #18
scicala
Senior Member
 
scicala's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Detroit suburb, MI
Posts: 3,160
Default Re: single barrel hollys

Quote:
Originally Posted by 46yblock View Post
The small carb sounds like one for a 144/170 I-6. The larger with glass bowl fits the description of a Model 1904 for 215/223. It would be a List 1415-A, which should be on the carb. Ford number is EBP9510. Check the center to center dimension of the base holes for match to intake. Also look for throttle linkage compatibility. But the 1904 is the model you want. As for jet size, dont know. 66 seems too big. Try 58, if too rich then 53, and step down until plugs look good.

If you wait a couple days, I have a 1904 in the shop I've been meaning to get to, and can see what it has for a jet.

I agree that the glass bowl carb is the one to use. I have an old Holley manual and specs book. It lists the 1952 thru 1956 215 and 223 6 cyl.glass bowl holley's as having a #66 main jet. It lists two different glass bowl carbs for the 1957 223. One is #68 and one is #69 main jet. It sounds like you may have a carb earlier than 1957, which is good too. Just stick with the main jet that is in it now, and check the plugs and performance.
You may be able to see the part number of you're carb stamped on a small flat surface next to the fuel inlet fitting.

Sal
scicala is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-27-2014, 07:17 AM   #19
RCM
Senior Member
 
RCM's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Portugal
Posts: 374
Default Re: single barrel hollys

1956 223 six here. The glass bowl is the appropriate one. I replaced mine with a metal bowl 1952henry generously offered me, because mine was cracked.
I second Daves55Sedan opinion on the needle. The one that came with my carb complete kit didnt seal and flooded the carb. Go figure that out..

I can send you the carb's manual via e-mail. Cant upload it here as its too heavy. If you want it tell pm your e-mail or something.

Keep it up.
RCM is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-27-2014, 08:55 AM   #20
oj
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 290
Default Re: single barrel hollys

KR if you need replacement parts not included with the rebuild kit give me a shout, I've lots of experience with those carbs and have spare parts.
Here's some I did for a jeep on an intake I made.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg JeepCarbs 010.jpg (171.4 KB, 17 views)
File Type: jpg JeepCarbs 011.jpg (172.8 KB, 14 views)
oj is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:51 PM.