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Old 10-04-2021, 01:46 AM   #1
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My first big drive today in my 28ccpu.with the new Burtz engine and flywheel, 350 stipe cam .6.2 head 97 carb(from my old engine).
only about 180 miles, but some big long hills on the way to and from.
I,m really impressed with how smooth the engine is, how well it goes and oil pressure 35 running and 19=20 at hot idle after a 1 mile long pull up one hill at full throttle,
this was on a 32C day, water temp 85-90c at the top of the long hill ,other wise sat on 75C.
In a short word, I'm am most impressed and thank those who took the time and effort to get these engines to fruition.
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Old 10-04-2021, 04:03 AM   #2
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Great to hear, can't wait to get one to play with.
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Lawrie, When will one be going into one of those drag cars?
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Old 10-04-2021, 05:37 AM   #4
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Arnold, they are nearly all sold, I only have 2 left, but have some more coming.
its as smooth as and will happily sit on 55 or 60 mph ,no OD in the pickup, so 50-52 is as nice as .
all going well here, just been away in the 33 for a 1700 trip and will go out to Quilpie in the 33 and c/van in the next few weeks for a couple of weeks
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Old 10-04-2021, 08:52 AM   #5
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I also looked into buying one of these engines but currently it is above my budget. I really like the idea to have a stock looking engine that hides its upgrades inside where no one can see them.
I guess I just have to keep saving up my money so one day I can affort one of these gems.
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Old 10-04-2021, 10:47 AM   #6
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Dont assume they will always be available. Our relationship with China is heating up. Dont wait too long!
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Old 10-04-2021, 11:34 AM   #8
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What oil pump are you running?
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Old 10-04-2021, 06:25 PM   #9
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Dont assume they will always be available. Our relationship with China is heating up. Dont wait too long!
Heating up quite rapidly - and we're in he middle of it. Has there been anything said publicly over there about us buying nuclear submarines from the US and Britain under the new AUKUS arrangement?
I wouldn't want to be living in Taiwan!
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"Has there been anything said publicly over there about us buying nuclear submarines from the US and Britain under the new AUKUS arrangement?"

It's been all over the news. The French were very upset.

China is very dependent upon exports. I suspect they will preserve those export markets as their internal demand can't keep their economy going. Someday they will have enough internal demand that they won't need to export as much, but that is not true today.

Shipping costs have increased exponentially, so, for the time being, that will likely affect the cost of those blocks, too.
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Why could these blocks not have been made in the USA? It’s often been expressed that many Fordbarners want nothing to do with Chinese made parts.
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Old 10-04-2021, 09:10 PM   #12
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Why could these blocks not have been made in the USA? It’s often been expressed that many Fordbarners want nothing to do with Chinese made parts.
Without dragging this thru the mud, Terry made several attempts at having the block produced here in the states. It did not go as well as expected and the project sidelined for a while.

Not sure exactly how, but Terry was able to make a connection to a Engine manufacturing facility in China. As they say, all the rest is history.

I see this as a huge win, this facility does this 5 or 6 days a week, or more.
I read somewhere the Engineers and designers were questioning building outdated technology. Happy to see Terry and John successful.

You and I may not like China, but we had better get one while we can.

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IMO, Terry having to go to China to have these blocks cast shows how much we have been asleep while these (and other) skills have been lost. It's the same here and I'm sure, through out the world. What hope do we have if China gets nasty?
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What hope do we have if China gets nasty?
They already are nasty from what I’ve read lately.
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Why could these blocks not have been made in the USA? It’s often been expressed that many Fordbarners want nothing to do with Chinese made parts.
If my current engine fails I would probably go with Terry's engine. My biggest concern would be to find a quality builder to put it together at a fair price and then not have to keep puling and reinstalling to get all the bugs out.

We probably all feel the same about Chinese products but what other choices do we have when it comes to almost everything, our clothing, medicines, household items, tools and so many other things. Get rid of everything from China and you'll be living naked in an empty house.
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Why could these blocks not have been made in the USA? It’s often been expressed that many Fordbarners want nothing to do with Chinese made parts.

Terry had given up on casting blocks over here because several tries ended in failure. He found a guy, or the guy found him, that had been having WWII Jeep blocks, with excellent results. This guy had all the contacts necessary, so Terry investigated and the rest is history. He did give it a good try.
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Why could these blocks not have been made in the USA? It’s often been expressed that many Fordbarners want nothing to do with Chinese made parts.
That's a bit broadly stated. Building cast blocks is not that difficult, it's old and established technology. The key is to set the correct specification and hold the manufacturer to a high level of quality control. It doesn't take many rejected parts to get the manufacturer's attention. He does not want rework or rejected parts coming back to him. China can build quality blocks, the key is the quality control and inspection required by the vendor that ordered them.
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That's a bit broadly stated. Building cast blocks is not that difficult, it's old and established technology. The key is to set the correct specification and hold the manufacturer to a high level of quality control. It doesn't take many rejected parts to get the manufacturer's attention. He does not want rework or rejected parts coming back to him. China can build quality blocks, the key is the quality control and inspection required by the vendor that ordered them.
I've been maintaining that for years. The fact that we get rubbish from them comes down to poor quality control on the part of our buyers, most of whom are too money hungry.
As I have said, how is it cheaper to buy an item only for it to not work. There is NO Return on Investment. A more expensive but quality item will last a long time so there is a ROI. I know which I would prefer.
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They already are nasty from what I’ve read lately.
Quite. And what they are planning is not good.
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Since they stopped buying our coal the price has shot up and we are doing quite well out of it.
It looks like an energy crunch is comming, just as their winter hits. Their govt has said to spend whatever it takes to keep their people warm. Interesting to see what happens.
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