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Old 01-16-2022, 12:33 PM   #1
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I visited Jersey Mike at his shop in Pinebluff, and this green thing hopped into my car. Kidding aside, its a rebuilt Model "B" engine that's going into my Victoria to replace the engine that committed suicide.
I am installing a Model "B" front engine mount, cast iron front brake drums, new Scandinavia brake linings and overhauling the car's transmission too. I think the transmission may have some of the bad roller bearings in it.





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Old 01-16-2022, 12:36 PM   #2
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Nice find!!
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Old 01-16-2022, 12:43 PM   #3
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Jersey Mike buys & sells Model "A" parts and he does restoration and repair work in his fantastic 40' x 60' well equipped shop (910-695-5334).



































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maybe this time, you'll go a little "easier" on this one......




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I am wondering what kind of gyrations you and someone else would have had to do to slide that engine + mount into your SUV? Must have been back-breaking!
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I am wondering what kind of gyrations you and someone else would have had to do to slide that engine + mount into your SUV? Must have been back-breaking!

I was wondering the same thing.


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Using that plastic tarp to slide it off a work table that is level w/the back of the car would probably slide fairly easily.
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maybe this time, you'll go a little "easier" on this one......




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Did it commit suicide or did you kill it ?
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I didn't know they made a rear engined SUV!
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Beautiful, Bob; however, a serious question: is it safe to install cast iron drums on the front without placing them on the rears, as well? Not doubting you, just curious.
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Look What Followed Me Home - Bob Bidonde. Looks good.
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Old 01-16-2022, 06:08 PM   #12
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Beautiful, Bob; however, a serious question: is it safe to install cast iron drums on the front without placing them on the rears, as well? Not doubting you, just curious.
Bob will probably get back with his response to this but I put cast drums on the front with woven linings and leave the steel ones on the back (woven linings).
The Model A was set up with way too much bias towards the rear brakes as was the norm in those days. Remember, only a tear or two before, many, many cars were not fitted with front brakes at all.
By putting cast drums on the front with their better heat dissipation and higher coefficient of friction, I improve the bias a bit but the rear wheels still lock up well before the front. Even with the newer wedges with the pin through them together with cast drums are not enough. Flat Head Ted's modification add even more bias to the front and is pretty good. I achieve a pretty similar result by adapting the longer rear actuation arms to the front.
My Model A outbrakes all others in our club with this setup.
The only way more braking on the front can be bad is if there is so much more that the front wheel lock-up, causing loss of steering control but that is pretty difficult to attain with a Model A.
IMO, Not only is it safe, it is safer.
In summary, My front brakes have the floating pin in the wedge, cast drums, woven linings and longer actuating arms. Short of larger drums, I can't readily see a way of doing more.
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I have what sounds akin to what Synchro90 has, only modern lining and cast drums all the way around. One of the guys in our club took my car for a spin, and I warned him my car has good brakes. He found out how good at the first traffic light! LOL I chuckled when he said "wow, you got good brakes".

I tell ya, once you switch over to cast iron drums you don't want anything else.
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Very nice...enjoy
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Thank you, Synchro909; a hole in my education has now been filled! I had Ted’s floaters on my ‘31 Slantwindow with cast drums all around and loved them, but never gave consideration to your (and Bob’s) solution ….. Bravo, Sir!
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How is the model B front engine mount different than the model A mount?
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https://www.millworkshotrod.com/prod...-mount-model-b
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"I am wondering what kind of gyrations you and someone else would have had to do to slide that engine + mount into your SUV? Must have been back-breaking!"
Jersey Mike has an engine hoist that put the engine into my wife's SUV perfectly. No strong arm necessary. Notice that I removed the spare tire from its well which was blocked by the engine. I did this just in case we got a flat on the trip home.
"Is it safe to install cast iron drums on the front without placing them on the rears, as well?
The brakes in my Model "A's" are setup to make the front ones do most of the work. The rear drums in both of my cars are original pressed steel. This combination works fine, just like the forward biased brakes in cars of the 1950s - 1980s.
"How is the model B front engine mount different than the model A mount?"
In a Model "B", the front engine mount takes the drive-line forces to propel / stop the car and transmits them into the frame. The rear Model "B" mounts dampen engine vibrations. In the Model "A," the front mount is a vibration damper and the rear mounts transmit the drive-line forces into the frame. In my opinion, the Model "B" front mount is superior to the Model A's, and Model A's front mount is an ineffective design. I am converting both of my cars to use Bratton's 7950 Mount.
"Did it commit suicide or did you kill it?"
I admit to doing 63 MPH when the #4 rod punched a hole in the block. However, I have often run both my Model "A's" that fast without issues. I will soon tear the dead engine apart to determine the cause of the failure. So far, I can see that the bearing cap along with its castle nuts and cotter pins came completely off of the #4 connecting rod. The big end of the rod is twisted 90 degrees. More to follow. However, I will not lead-foot Jersey Mike's engine. I promise!
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