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Old 05-14-2021, 01:47 PM   #1
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I watch the videos posted by the man with the nice sport coupe and town sedan he also has a wife who features sometimes . Whenever he posts a new video he is very informative and well worth watching although I was not too sure about the front wheel bearing adjustment but it works fine for him . The latest one about a week ago he drops the pan on a coupe . He uses the tool to hold the oil pump in place when he drops the pan as he does not want to retime the engine although I cant see how this can be . When I drop the pan I want the pump to come down with it . I can check it out ,check for wear , clean the guaze screen almost always has some debris in it . I check the bottom plate and if worn I polish the underside and invert it. I do not use a gasket but make sure it spins freely especially after changing the gears etc etc .I check the retaining spring these do suffer from corrosion . I was very surprised he did not pop out the dipper tray and clean out the pan bottom even with a clean dipper. My experience is that even at best there is an aluminium/babbitt deposit sometimes quite hard from mostly piston skirt wear . I like my pans clinically clean !!! . When put the pan back I hold the pump in place with a cable tie I will get my son to post the modus operandi .When the pan is in place and held by a few slack bolts I clip the tie and pull clear .

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Old 05-14-2021, 02:45 PM   #2
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He's dragged me away from the Bath v Sale game (rugby) for this. Sigh.

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Default Re: Dropping the pan , recent You Tube .

I watch the videos posted by the man with the nice sport coupe and town sedan he also has a wife who features sometimes .
That would be Paul Shinn?
I agree that the engine should not need to be retimed after dropping the sump. That would only be needed if the drive gear is removed from the valve chamber.
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Old 05-14-2021, 05:31 PM   #4
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I watch the videos posted by the man with the nice sport coupe and town sedan he also has a wife who features sometimes .
That would be Paul Shinn?
I agree that the engine should not need to be retimed after dropping the sump. That would only be needed if the drive gear is removed from the valve chamber.
Yes, he's talking about Paul Shinn. I noticed that comment about timing when I was watching the video as well and thought it odd. Other than that, though - I'd be happy to trade his oily/greasy/dirty underside for mine (unrestored and 90K+ miles - yuck!).

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Old 05-15-2021, 10:51 AM   #5
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.I like my pans clinically clean !!! . John in Suffolk County England .
In my Model A the dipper tray was welded in place by some PO, so it doesn't get removed, I just clean underneath it best I can.
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Old 05-15-2021, 12:50 PM   #6
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Well, at least he's out there posting information and getting people interested in the hobby. My bet is that he did pull out the dipper tray, just didn't show it. I learned a lot from this video and many of his other ones.

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Old 05-15-2021, 01:33 PM   #7
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Check out his latest the police car one . I am a big fan and any way he skins his cat is just fine with me . We should be pleased he takes the time to do these videos with no real gain to himself and maybe get younger folk interested .

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Old 05-15-2021, 07:12 PM   #8
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Thanks John. He's really trying to keep these cars alive.
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Old 05-16-2021, 01:54 PM   #9
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Default Re: Dropping the pan , recent You Tube .

He does a good job sparking newbie interest in the cars, video documenting procedures like the oil pan/adjusting brakes/lubricating/ installing Mitchells/etc. From some of my past experience it takes a fair amount of time after the raw video is taken to import, edit, then post, so I give him big kudos for his endeavors. I remember him mentioning he was going to do the video of the oil pan, I just wish he had filmed a few more parts that he completed in the background such as installing the front and back portions, tricks when installing/adhering the gasket, and the final installation. Sometimes a picture/video is worth a thousand words. Keep those videos coming!!
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Old 05-20-2021, 05:22 AM   #10
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Default Re: Dropping the pan , recent You Tube .

Thank you for the kind words.

The part about retiming the car was a flub. I was thinking ahead of my mouth. I'm just a regular guy, not some polished TV star. Sorry about that one.

The oil pump looked fine. If it looked even remotely clogged with anything, I would have dropped it. But after seeing the oil that came out, I decided to keep it in place, like 90% of regular (non expert) people do when dropping the pan. This video series on "Operation Hooptie" is 't meant to be an all inclusive how-to on everything. It's meant to be a bare minimum to get from hooptie to monthly club tour participant. I'm trying to illustrate how simple the cars are and how even a neglected inexpensive Model A can be made good enough with minimal money and effort to go have some fun in it.

I did clean out the pan. That was given a quick mention. Didn't show removing dipper tray and cleaning the pan because it was uneventful and boring. The video was already too long.

The next one coming out this weekend will be brakes, wheel bearings, etc. Since this car is not getting restored, only serviced and minor repairs, it's a series of video for "average guys" who buy a hooptie Model A and want to take it out for occasional club tours. Not a full step by step frame-up restoration how-to. Some of you guys here are way beyond the scope of this video series.

Feel free to pick apart the dumb stuff I do. I never pretend to be an expert, just a guy with an iphone on a tripod who does everything with one take and no fancy crew, editing software, talent, etc.
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Old 05-20-2021, 07:03 AM   #11
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Your videos are very much appreciated. Thank you from someone who got my first A at 70 yrs old and still learning the basics.
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Old 05-20-2021, 08:12 AM   #13
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Thank you for the kind words.

The part about retiming the car was a flub. I was thinking ahead of my mouth. I'm just a regular guy, not some polished TV star. Sorry about that one.

The oil pump looked fine. If it looked even remotely clogged with anything, I would have dropped it. But after seeing the oil that came out, I decided to keep it in place, like 90% of regular (non expert) people do when dropping the pan. This video series on "Operation Hooptie" is 't meant to be an all inclusive how-to on everything. It's meant to be a bare minimum to get from hooptie to monthly club tour participant. I'm trying to illustrate how simple the cars are and how even a neglected inexpensive Model A can be made good enough with minimal money and effort to go have some fun in it.

I did clean out the pan. That was given a quick mention. Didn't show removing dipper tray and cleaning the pan because it was uneventful and boring. The video was already too long.

The next one coming out this weekend will be brakes, wheel bearings, etc. Since this car is not getting restored, only serviced and minor repairs, it's a series of video for "average guys" who buy a hooptie Model A and want to take it out for occasional club tours. Not a full step by step frame-up restoration how-to. Some of you guys here are way beyond the scope of this video series.

Feel free to pick apart the dumb stuff I do. I never pretend to be an expert, just a guy with an iphone on a tripod who does everything with one take and no fancy crew, editing software, talent, etc.

Thanks Paul
You always do a wonderful job of explaining the simplicity of the Model A. I have been your average old car guy for 30 years and decided to get a Model A after watching all of your videos. In my opinion you do bridge the gap between the Baby Boomers and Gen X. I have a feeling you will see your viewership continue to grow. Keep up the good work and thanks for doing what you do!!!

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Old 05-20-2021, 08:22 AM   #14
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Thanks for the videos Paul. Keep them coming.
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In my opinion you do bridge the gap between the Baby Boomers and Gen X.
^- This. As a Gen X'er with a heavy mechanical background (Purdue MET, Heavy metal fab Industry, Professional Bicycle Mechanic, Own my own bicycle wheel manufacturing company, have a well followed YouTube channel for cycling mechanical stuff, etc) I have been having "boomer fatigue" in the A world.

The vast majority of the A enthusiasts and knowledge base is 70+ yrs old. That just comes with a different experience base and problem solving structure. There's a lot taken for granted.

I have every book imaginable regarding the A and have been collecting the books for nearly 25 years. Now that I am laying hands on my '28 tudor I am finding there are a ton of specifics and nuances that just aren't in the books, in threads, etc.

Common response has been "join a club" - been a little difficult to during the pandemic. Hopefully that's changing. In the meantime I still can't find answers to basic questions.

Paul's videos have been one of the only things keeping me from pulling my hair out.

I love boomers. I respect the level of knowledge that exists but I do believe it's time to move that knowledge on into more modern forms of storage in order to not lose it. This from a guy who is almost 50. I thank Paul for doing such great work. I wouldn't be here without it.
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Paul Shinn does a great job on his videos. I always recommend them. His enthusiasm for our hobby is contagious!
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Paul's videos have been one of the only things keeping me from pulling my hair out.

I love boomers. I respect the level of knowledge that exists but I do believe it's time to move that knowledge on into more modern forms of storage in order to not lose it. This from a guy who is almost 50. I thank Paul for doing such great work. I wouldn't be here without it.

Ditto to that. I was running into this situation with my 1973 450SL with the D-Jetronic system troubleshooting - those in the know were passing on, the complicated troubleshooting devices obsolete/unavailable, so working on these were almost completely done "in the dark" When I had control point issues last summer, I was buying distributors, Control Point modules (no longer available - have to rely on faith on used/ran good when last used), wires, cap, AAV - the parts list seemed endless and the dollars were like a gas fed fire. The Control point consisted of a series of four sets of points, run off two cams inside the distributor - which controlled the discharge of fuel for the injection system, and another cam with points on the top of the distributor for the ignition. There were points troubleshooting this where I think I invented new words when troubleshooting just to get this to run right - and no one at that time had comprehensive videos, let alone simple videos to walk you through troubleshooting many of these items.



Paul's videos lured me to the Model A, and now as an owner, I am amazed on the ease of getting parts, the high volume of expertise in forums/chats, and the camaraderie from others who own them. Even when I get in a jam, I don't have to have a PhD in Electrical and Automotive technology to keep it running. Keep those videos coming Paul!!
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Old 05-20-2021, 07:01 PM   #18
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Paul shinn is the man! I am a first time model a owner and have spent many hours watching his videos. I find them to be pretty informative and entertaining. Definitely a good role model for the model a hobby. Definitely jealous of his collection, both the cars and parts! Thanks for the videos paul, keep up the good work!
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Thanks John. He's really trying to keep these cars alive.
I agree for sure !
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