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Clem Clement · 12-22-2021, 06:21 PM

Current clevis pins are loose in their brake lever fitting. Rathy than try and drill the lever ends and use a larger pin, can I shim the pins with soup can metal?

Fhane · 12-22-2021, 07:21 PM

Never use soup cans. Use beer cans. A much better experience.

WHN · 12-22-2021, 07:42 PM

You have to take all the slack out of your system. Use Oversize pins, please don’t shim openings.

Everything must be right, everything.

Enjoy

Ruth · 12-22-2021, 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WHN

You have to take all the slack out of your system. Use Oversize pins, please don’t shim openings.

Everything must be right, everything.

Enjoy

I agree, one thing you don't want to cheap out on is brakes.

nkaminar · 12-22-2021, 09:09 PM

Are the pins worn or are the rod ends worn. If it is just the pins, you can replace then. If it is the rod ends than the advice given by the experts is to drill them larger and use larger pins. You can try to bush the rod ends by inserting a steel bushing but you will still have to drill out the ends to get the bushings to fit correctly, so why not use the larger pins.

Some folks are going to argue for replacing the rods and the ends that screw onto the rods. If you do that the lengths of the rods can be adjusted per the service bulletins and then not changed.

chrs1961815 · 12-22-2021, 10:04 PM

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The pin is harder than the rod ends, so I can almost guarantee you that the wear is in the ends. The common fix is to solder/braze in a piece of tubing that has the original diameter. You can do that or you can mess with oversize pins but it sounds like this may be the beginning of a brake job.

Wick · 12-23-2021, 05:24 AM

I would use a larger pin,then turn it down to get the fit you want. You might even be able to sand or file the pin to fit. Nice and simpl,it's only a few pins.

katy · 12-23-2021, 12:07 PM

Weld up, drill out.

tomscott · 12-23-2021, 01:09 PM

Hello all
I just finished a complete brake job on my Tudor.
Drilled everything out to 11/32. Oversized pins slipped
Right in. 😊

Clem Clement · 12-23-2021, 06:19 PM

So, if install a loop of steel safety wire thru the rod/lever hole beside the sloppy new pin to reduce the slop, I'm unsafe, right????

Merry Christmas

daren007 · 12-23-2021, 07:03 PM

What is slop? Never found that word I’d my machinist handbook.

chrs1961815 · 12-23-2021, 07:25 PM

That probably won't stay in there long...

Y-Blockhead · 12-23-2021, 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clem Clement

So, if install a loop of steel safety wire thru the rod/lever hole beside the sloppy new pin to reduce the slop, I'm unsafe, right????

Hmmm, $2.75 for a set of 14 O/S pins... What is your life worth?

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nkaminar · 12-23-2021, 08:58 PM

Quote: "So, if install a loop of steel safety wire thru the rod/lever hole beside the sloppy new pin to reduce the slop, I'm unsafe, right????"

Screwing around with the pins and holes probably will not kill you, but it might. The efficiency of the braking system will suffer. Why are you even considering this? It just doesn't make any sense to me.

Oldbluoval · 12-23-2021, 09:16 PM

Do it right first time or…
You’ll do it again really soon or pay consequences
Any problem in the whole mechanical brake system magnifies in performance

mhsprecher · 12-23-2021, 09:27 PM

Clem, Let me pay a visit in the next week and we can take a look.

McMimmcs · 12-24-2021, 08:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mhsprecher

Clem, Let me pay a visit in the next week and we can take a look.

A very kind offer for sure !

nkaminar · 12-24-2021, 08:45 AM

I second what McMimmcs said. In the spirit of the season and in the spirit of the Model A community. Three cheers.

Clem Clement · 12-24-2021, 08:59 AM

Thanks all. Car is safely parked inside and warm. Driver is resting

daren007 · 12-25-2021, 01:45 PM

If possible just install oversized pins. Cheap, easy and a solid repair.

12-22-2021, 06:21 PM	#1
Clem Clement Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Fairfax, VA Posts: 3,393	Lose brake system clevis pins Current clevis pins are loose in their brake lever fitting. Rathy than try and drill the lever ends and use a larger pin, can I shim the pins with soup can metal?

12-22-2021, 07:21 PM	#2
Fhane Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Stuart Florida Posts: 147	Re: Lose brake system clevis pins Never use soup cans. Use beer cans. A much better experience.

12-22-2021, 07:42 PM	#3
WHN Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: Connecticut Shoreline Posts: 1,820	Re: Lose brake system clevis pins You have to take all the slack out of your system. Use Oversize pins, please don’t shim openings. Everything must be right, everything. Enjoy

12-22-2021, 09:09 PM	#5
nkaminar Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Western North Carolina Posts: 3,899	Re: Lose brake system clevis pins Are the pins worn or are the rod ends worn. If it is just the pins, you can replace then. If it is the rod ends than the advice given by the experts is to drill them larger and use larger pins. You can try to bush the rod ends by inserting a steel bushing but you will still have to drill out the ends to get the bushings to fit correctly, so why not use the larger pins. Some folks are going to argue for replacing the rods and the ends that screw onto the rods. If you do that the lengths of the rods can be adjusted per the service bulletins and then not changed. __________________ A is for apple, green as the sky. Step on the gas, for tomorrow I die. Forget the brakes, they really don't work. The clutch always sticks, and starts with a jerk. My car grows red hair, and flies through the air. Driving's a blast, a blast from the past.

12-22-2021, 10:04 PM	#6
chrs1961815 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2018 Location: Spring Grove, Illinois Posts: 1,371	Re: Lose brake system clevis pins Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) The pin is harder than the rod ends, so I can almost guarantee you that the wear is in the ends. The common fix is to solder/braze in a piece of tubing that has the original diameter. You can do that or you can mess with oversize pins but it sounds like this may be the beginning of a brake job. __________________ "The more things change, the more they stay the same."

12-23-2021, 05:24 AM	#7
Wick Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Gwynn's Island Va Posts: 1,386	Re: Lose brake system clevis pins I would use a larger pin,then turn it down to get the fit you want. You might even be able to sand or file the pin to fit. Nice and simpl,it's only a few pins.

12-23-2021, 12:07 PM	#8
katy Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Red Deer, Alberta Posts: 5,042	Re: Lose brake system clevis pins Weld up, drill out. __________________ If you don't hear a rumor by 10 AM, start one!. Got my education out behind the barn!

12-23-2021, 01:09 PM	#9
tomscott Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Weston,WV Posts: 35	Re: Lose brake system clevis pins Hello all I just finished a complete brake job on my Tudor. Drilled everything out to 11/32. Oversized pins slipped Right in. 😊

12-23-2021, 06:19 PM	#10
Clem Clement Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Fairfax, VA Posts: 3,393	Re: Lose brake system clevis pins So, if install a loop of steel safety wire thru the rod/lever hole beside the sloppy new pin to reduce the slop, I'm unsafe, right???? Merry Christmas

12-23-2021, 07:03 PM	#11
daren007 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Saint Cloud Mn Posts: 745	Re: Lose brake system clevis pins What is slop? Never found that word I’d my machinist handbook.

12-23-2021, 07:25 PM	#12
chrs1961815 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2018 Location: Spring Grove, Illinois Posts: 1,371	Re: Lose brake system clevis pins That probably won't stay in there long... __________________ "The more things change, the more they stay the same."

12-23-2021, 08:58 PM	#14
nkaminar Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Western North Carolina Posts: 3,899	Re: Lose brake system clevis pins Quote: "So, if install a loop of steel safety wire thru the rod/lever hole beside the sloppy new pin to reduce the slop, I'm unsafe, right????" Screwing around with the pins and holes probably will not kill you, but it might. The efficiency of the braking system will suffer. Why are you even considering this? It just doesn't make any sense to me. __________________ A is for apple, green as the sky. Step on the gas, for tomorrow I die. Forget the brakes, they really don't work. The clutch always sticks, and starts with a jerk. My car grows red hair, and flies through the air. Driving's a blast, a blast from the past.

12-23-2021, 09:16 PM	#15
Oldbluoval Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Signal Mtn, TN (SE TN) Posts: 2,370	Re: Lose brake system clevis pins Do it right first time or… You’ll do it again really soon or pay consequences Any problem in the whole mechanical brake system magnifies in performance

12-23-2021, 09:27 PM	#16
mhsprecher Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Takoma Park, MD Posts: 2,817	Re: Lose brake system clevis pins Clem, Let me pay a visit in the next week and we can take a look. __________________ 1924 Model T Coupe 1928 Model A Roadster 1930 Model A Town Sedan 1939 Deluxe Fordor 1945 pickup 1951 Custom convertible

12-24-2021, 08:45 AM	#18
nkaminar Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Western North Carolina Posts: 3,899	Re: Lose brake system clevis pins I second what McMimmcs said. In the spirit of the season and in the spirit of the Model A community. Three cheers. __________________ A is for apple, green as the sky. Step on the gas, for tomorrow I die. Forget the brakes, they really don't work. The clutch always sticks, and starts with a jerk. My car grows red hair, and flies through the air. Driving's a blast, a blast from the past.

12-24-2021, 08:59 AM	#19
Clem Clement Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Fairfax, VA Posts: 3,393	Re: Lose brake system clevis pins Thanks all. Car is safely parked inside and warm. Driver is resting

12-25-2021, 01:45 PM	#20
daren007 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Saint Cloud Mn Posts: 745	Re: Lose brake system clevis pins If possible just install oversized pins. Cheap, easy and a solid repair.