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12-08-2021, 08:23 PM | #21 | |
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Re: Early Production '57 Ford Data Plate Questions
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Kultulz for the win! Thanks for posting this and figuring out the last piece of the puzzle. [emoji1303]
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You see no differences in the numerous produced early 57 PATENT PLATES PRODUCTION CODE NUMBERS AND SEQUENCE differences? You cannot compare an early 57 PLATE with an earlier year PLATE without having the exact manufacturer year information. I have found only one true example of the coding and that will have to be found in it's entirety in a much earlier catalog printing. What your experts are going on is based only on incomplete facts and documentation. Maybe the subject was never noticed or drew interest before this exchange. Concerning DETROIT and/or DEARBORN, you say tomato and I say tomatoes. They are just like PREGO, it's all in there.
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Now did you read the description of 2 and 3 after the EXTERIOR PAINT CODE?
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12-08-2021, 08:48 PM | #24 |
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From what I read, the 2 stood for tu-tone paint. They explained it would be a 3 for tri-color cars, but that has to be 59 & up. Never seen or heard of a tri-color 57.
EDIT: Fella on the 57 site clarified; The 2 after the paint code is for the second formula for mixing the paint, "Coral sand" had 3 formula changers during the 57 model run. Interesting that they changed paint formulas. Wonder if that changed the shade as well? Learn something new everyday.
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The question asked in that original post was how to break down the "Production Code" number on the right side of the second line. After other examples were presented, you included a March 19, '57 dated patent plate example with decoding notes that include the following items in the Production Code: Date, Dealer Code and Item Number. Image 2. The previous examples also had the same Production Code breakdown. An updated data plate style used after the middle of April '57 was also shown to now include the Transmission and Axle codes instead of the "Production Code". Example in image 3. Please provide realistic evidence of Dealer Sales District "98" and how Transmission and Axle codes can be found on an early '57 plate where they don't exist. Image 2. Last edited by dmsfrr; 12-09-2021 at 01:46 PM. |
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12-09-2021, 04:05 AM | #27 | |
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Now I also need to find a 1957 FORD PAINT COLOR CHART... I think we see now why FORD changed the PATENT PLATE STYLE.
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PAINT CODE - 2 EXPLAINED
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Interesting subject and discussion.
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Re: Early Production '57 Ford Data Plate Questions
Without factory production code verification, those last digits with the C at the end are just a guess. FoMoCo didn't specifically have any transmission or rear axle information till mid 1957 after the April change to the plate format. A mechanic had to look at the differential for stamping or a tag to verify ratios. The Characteristics of the housing told the rest of the story on transmissions and rear axle.
A lot of Fords stampings meant something to the plant that produced it but the water gets muddy to anyone on the outside. I like to see proof positive but a lot of times there is none. |
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The PATENT PLATE info also varied between CAR LINES, PRODUCTION DATES and ASSEMBLY PLANTS. Without actual period FORD documentation, true verification cannot be established. But one can use common sense to cipher it out.
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The photo in question was a partial plate shown in an eBay ad describing (showing) early patent plate info. It had an accompanying photo that had a paragraph cut off that would most likely explain this whole thing. That is the info I am after. If I have to buy an old print CATALOG I will do it as it will also answer many more questions other than this one being discussed. Not all is at it seems. You have to understand FORD and BIRD were not identical and the BIRD restorers only show BIRD specific info. That have no interest in anything but the 55/57 BIRD.
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CONV 2-TONE had to be a lower trim level than STYLE-TONE TWO-TONE - STYLE-TONE had two separate and distinctive paint applications/formats (See 1957 FORD EXT COLOR CHART within this thread)
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Can you show a photo of the 57 as I don't want to post anything without being 100% positively sure as the natives are getting restless ... This is getting as bad as trying to break the ENIGMA CODE ...
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Sure thing;
57_fairlane_500.jpg
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!!! DAMN !!! I just asked for a photo. You didn't have to make me cry. That car is more beautiful than DOLLY PARTON. Any who, the paint scheme is STYLE-TONE. I think the character 2 distinguishes it from the CONVENTIONAL TWO-TONE. Yours is what the one poster @ 57fordsforever described as THREE-TONE, but actually is TWO-TONE applied in a different format. More info and PAINT CHART is here - http://jerrysclassiccars.com/1957_ford_paint_codes.html I am waiting for some early info and as I figure it our, I will update this thread. You tell your daddy I said he has class ...
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Re: Early Production '57 Ford Data Plate Questions
This may add to the solution, or confusion. I believe this is the original published version of the 1957 Ford serial plate.
It's from my original 1955-1956-1957 Ford Parts manual Form 7516, printed September 1956, or earlier. It’s not uncommon for manufacturers to release Service and Parts manuals even before the first piece of equipment goes down the line. This plate definitely is different from Y Block57A’s plate. It has 8 patent numbers instead of the 14 in his plate and there are a number of other differences between the plates including 985C vs the 47 in the last part of the production code. It could very well be a 56 plate reworked for a pic to get the manual out to the dealers. Don |
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The troubles seems to lie in the ASSEMBLY PLANT(s) using different coding on the same plate style. The one you show (FORD CATALOGING) shows a plate from DEARBORN ASSY. You can plainly see the difference(s) between this plate and the one being discussed, DALLAS ASSY. I have captured several plates and all of the examples I have from a limited number of ASSY PLANTS shows different coding style for each. Quote:
Now, how much for your catalog? ... FORGOT- (as usual) Is the CATALOG bound or loose leaf?
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