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Larryejoh · 03-12-2017, 01:07 PM

Has anyone ran the pipe with the temperature sending unit fitting and the thermostat at the same time? Is there enough room between the outlet at the head and the radiator to fit both in?

russcochiolo · 03-12-2017, 02:20 PM

I just went out and took this photo. The thermostat and the temp sending unit fit before I changed to a Gano filter. There was not enough room for all three. Don't do as I did and tap the neck on the side where it interferes with the head nut......place it higher up or on the rear of the neck. I solved the problem that I created by altering a tool to fit under the sender and over the head nut. Now I can retorque when needed. Russ

Larryejoh · 03-12-2017, 02:59 PM

I was going to use the tube with the fitting in it that Snyder sells. I was wondering if I put it in line would the thermostat fit also.

http://www.snydersantiqueauto.com/temp-gauge-probe-pipe

denniskliesen · 03-12-2017, 03:13 PM

I bought the upper neck for mine with the 1/2" pipe fitting already cast and tapped, my old neck was the wrong neck for my model year. My thermostat fits snug in the upper hose near the neck. I bought the tool from Bratton's knowing I would use it quite often and I didn't really want to take the torch to one of my good wrenches. It's very snug but it does work. I could grind the tool down on the outside for a better fit. Initially I bought the tool so I could retorque my head with out removing the distributor.

russcochiolo · 03-12-2017, 03:36 PM

Larry, the Snyder set up is what I had that worked with a thermostat until I put the Geno filter in. I didn't plan well and tapped the next too low. I was able to grind the outside of the tool that Dennis shows until it fit between the head stud and the sending unit. "Measure twice, cut once" comes to mind. Russ

Synchro909 · 03-12-2017, 03:42 PM

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Why would anyone design an outlet neck like that!?!?!

The OBVIOUS place to put the boss for the gauge sender is at the back where it won't interfere with access to the head nut. VERY poor design.

I've put the sender in the back of a modified original style neck. Much better.

Larryejoh · 03-12-2017, 05:33 PM

I thought about drilling and tapping a hole in the neck but I didn't think there was enough metal in the walls for it.

denniskliesen · 03-12-2017, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Synchro909

Why would anyone design an outlet neck like that!?!?!

The OBVIOUS place to put the boss for the gauge sender is at the back where it won't interfere with access to the head nut. VERY poor design.

I've put the sender in the back of a modified original style neck. Much better.

I agree and had I known about the 2 piece part that ??? makes, I would have bought that one and used the thermostat that the manifold was built for. I don't remember who it was that makes it. I'm sure somebody will chime in...

daveymc29 · 03-12-2017, 06:18 PM

Vintage Precision 707 745 6363 Benicia California

Larryejoh · 03-12-2017, 06:24 PM

The one that Vintage Precision is nice it's about $100.

CarlG · 03-12-2017, 06:49 PM

Vintage Precision Thermostat housing:

Synchro909 · 03-12-2017, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by CarlG

Vintage Precision Thermostat housing:

Yup, they are a nice looking piece of equipment but I don't think they are necessary. Thermostat in the top hose and sensor in the back of the neck (like politicians treat us!!) is fine.

katy · 03-13-2017, 11:10 AM

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I solved the problem that I created by altering a tool to fit under the sender and over the head nut.

Why not just use a crowfoot adapter? I wouldn't think that the bit of length difference would affect the torque much. Or it could be calculated ifn one was paranoid about it.

CarlG · 03-13-2017, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by katy

Why not just use a crowfoot adapter? I wouldn't think that the bit of length difference would affect the torque much. Or it could be calculated ifn one was paranoid about it.

I use this Snap-On wrench for torquing head nuts that have an obstruction:

Tom Wesenberg · 03-13-2017, 02:15 PM

I also have one like Carl shows, but it's homemade.
By having the square directly over the box for the nut, it keeps the torque accurate.

inex01 · 03-13-2017, 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CarlG

Vintage Precision Thermostat housing:

I installed on my sedan a couple of years ago and it iis great

Dave in MN · 03-13-2017, 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Larryejoh

I was going to use the tube with the fitting in it that Snyder sells. I was wondering if I put it in line would the thermostat fit also.

http://www.snydersantiqueauto.com/temp-gauge-probe-pipe

Lots of suggestions but no answer to your question. Yes both will fit. I have done it several times with the fitting Snyder's sells in your link.
Good Day!

steve s · 03-13-2017, 04:50 PM

The problem with the tube insert, which will only be aggravated by addition of a thermostat, is that it reduces the flexibility provided by the long radiator hose. As the motor bounces around and the hood/radiator assembly move, the solder connection to the radiator inlet will be stressed. However, in my experience, this is only a problem when you're on a trip far from home.

racingrufus · 03-13-2017, 04:52 PM

I could not put the pipe that the temp sensor fits in along with the thermostat in the top hose , not enough room.I had to buy the top outlet with the hole for the temp sensor.I dont have a problem torquing the headnuts because I use the offset adapter wrench.

Y-Blockhead · 03-13-2017, 06:02 PM

I fail to see what the problem is...

03-12-2017, 01:07 PM	#1
Larryejoh Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: Clarksville, TN Posts: 44	Temperature gauge and thermostat Has anyone ran the pipe with the temperature sending unit fitting and the thermostat at the same time? Is there enough room between the outlet at the head and the radiator to fit both in?

03-12-2017, 02:59 PM	#3
Larryejoh Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: Clarksville, TN Posts: 44	Re: Temperature gauge and thermostat I was going to use the tube with the fitting in it that Snyder sells. I was wondering if I put it in line would the thermostat fit also. http://www.snydersantiqueauto.com/temp-gauge-probe-pipe

03-12-2017, 03:13 PM	#4
denniskliesen Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: SoCal Posts: 877	Re: Temperature gauge and thermostat I bought the upper neck for mine with the 1/2" pipe fitting already cast and tapped, my old neck was the wrong neck for my model year. My thermostat fits snug in the upper hose near the neck. I bought the tool from Bratton's knowing I would use it quite often and I didn't really want to take the torch to one of my good wrenches. It's very snug but it does work. I could grind the tool down on the outside for a better fit. Initially I bought the tool so I could retorque my head with out removing the distributor.

03-12-2017, 03:36 PM	#5
russcochiolo Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Clovis, CA Posts: 218	Re: Temperature gauge and thermostat Larry, the Snyder set up is what I had that worked with a thermostat until I put the Geno filter in. I didn't plan well and tapped the next too low. I was able to grind the outside of the tool that Dennis shows until it fit between the head stud and the sending unit. "Measure twice, cut once" comes to mind. Russ

03-12-2017, 03:42 PM	#6
Synchro909 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 7,496	Re: Temperature gauge and thermostat Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Why would anyone design an outlet neck like that!?!?! The OBVIOUS place to put the boss for the gauge sender is at the back where it won't interfere with access to the head nut. VERY poor design. I've put the sender in the back of a modified original style neck. Much better. __________________ I'm part of the only ever generation with an analogue childhood and a digital adulthood.

03-12-2017, 05:33 PM	#7
Larryejoh Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: Clarksville, TN Posts: 44	Re: Temperature gauge and thermostat I thought about drilling and tapping a hole in the neck but I didn't think there was enough metal in the walls for it.

03-12-2017, 06:18 PM	#9
daveymc29 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Danville, CA Posts: 1,553	Re: Temperature gauge and thermostat Vintage Precision 707 745 6363 Benicia California

03-12-2017, 06:24 PM	#10
Larryejoh Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: Clarksville, TN Posts: 44	Re: Temperature gauge and thermostat The one that Vintage Precision is nice it's about $100.

03-13-2017, 02:15 PM	#15
Tom Wesenberg Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mpls, MN Posts: 27,582	Re: Temperature gauge and thermostat I also have one like Carl shows, but it's homemade. By having the square directly over the box for the nut, it keeps the torque accurate.

03-13-2017, 04:50 PM	#18
steve s Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Kalamazoo Posts: 1,656	Re: Temperature gauge and thermostat The problem with the tube insert, which will only be aggravated by addition of a thermostat, is that it reduces the flexibility provided by the long radiator hose. As the motor bounces around and the hood/radiator assembly move, the solder connection to the radiator inlet will be stressed. However, in my experience, this is only a problem when you're on a trip far from home.

03-13-2017, 04:52 PM	#19
racingrufus Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: alabama Posts: 146	Re: Temperature gauge and thermostat I could not put the pipe that the temp sensor fits in along with the thermostat in the top hose , not enough room.I had to buy the top outlet with the hole for the temp sensor.I dont have a problem torquing the headnuts because I use the offset adapter wrench.

03-13-2017, 06:02 PM	#20
Y-Blockhead Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Redondo Beach, CA Posts: 5,848	Re: Temperature gauge and thermostat I fail to see what the problem is...