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07-24-2015, 12:01 PM | #1 |
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Simca Vedette flathead
I have been contacted by a fellow wanting me to rebuild his French flathead V8-60. It is out of a 1959 Simca Vedette. He is fully aware it is a small engine and will be using it in a custom built motorcycle. He simply wants something different. I need to know the original measurements of the bore, rod and main journals and also the original measurements of the cam so I can determine the wear on the parts. Also need to know where I can go to get the necessary parts. ie. pistons, rings, main and rod bearings and cam bearings. Thanks Bill
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07-24-2015, 12:23 PM | #2 |
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Re: Simca Vedette flathead
You might want to check out check out this Hamb thread. The builder is running a V8-60.
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/t...annual.875939/ Keep V-8ing and 4-banging!
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07-24-2015, 12:34 PM | #3 |
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Re: Simca Vedette flathead
is that the right link?? Did not see anything to help with my questions.
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07-24-2015, 02:36 PM | #4 |
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Re: Simca Vedette flathead
Here are specifications for the American models. You'll probably have to do some digging on your own to determine if the later Simca models are the same as the '37-39 or '40 Fords, or different yet again.
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Specifications Year Displacement Bore & Stroke Notes ------------------------------------------------ 1937 136 2.60" x 3.20" 1,3 1938 136 2.60" x 3.20" 2,3 1939 136 2.60" x 3.20" 2,3,4 1940 136 2.60" x 3.20" 2,4 Additional Specifications: 1937 1938 1939 1940 ----------------------------------- Compression Pressure @ Cranking Speed 150 lbs @ 2800 (Same for all years) Compression Ratio 6.6 to 1 (Same for all years) Pistons (Alloy Steel) 3 Ring (Same for all years) Connecting Rod Bearings Full Floating with internal and external bearing surfaces (Same for all years) Crankshaft Crankpin Journals 1.599" 1.599" 1.599" 1.699" Crankshaft Main Bearing Journals 1.999" 1.999" 1.999" 2.099" Crankshaft Overall Length 20.82" 20.82" 20.82" 22.88" Crankshaft Weight 45 lbs 45 lbs 45 lbs 46 lbs Oil Capacity 4 Quarts (Same for all years) Firing Order 1-5-4-8-6-3-7-2 (Same for all years) 1) Had the tin-sided block 2) Had the all-cast iron block 3) Built with aluminum heads 4) Built with cast iron heads Crankshafts were lengthened (just over 2" on the front snout) in 1940 for the direct mounting of the cooling fan. Also for 1940 the crankshafts went to a larger diameter for the connecting rod and main bearing journals. The 1940 connecting rod bearings were not flanged like the '37-39. All crankshaft bearings for the 1940 engines are unique to that year. Source: http://www.vanpeltsales.com/FH_web/f...cs-V8-60hp.htm
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Re: Simca Vedette flathead
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http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/t...thread.863152/ I thought you might want to contact him as well. Keep V-8ing!
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07-24-2015, 06:24 PM | #6 |
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07-25-2015, 03:36 PM | #7 |
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Re: Simca Vedette flathead
Bill, I have the entire Vedette service manual scanned and saved. If these pages do not provide everything that you need please let me know and I will post more. Parts are very difficult to find. Best sources are in France and they are very expensive. If you decide to pursue the rebuild let your customer know that it will take time and lots of $ to track down all of the parts that you need. I can send you the web addresses of some French vendors if you would like. Best wishes, Greg in Jax
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07-26-2015, 05:19 AM | #8 |
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Re: Simca Vedette flathead
Hello Bill,
I'm not into this Simca cars, but if I can help you in any way, drop me a MP Here's the french vedette club and forum : www.clubvedettefrance.com www.clubvedettefrance.com/forum Pierre |
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Re: Simca Vedette flathead
Many thanks guys, getting some good info. I was away for a few days getting some quality time with my daughter. Now to get to the garage and see exactly what parts I need. One question for now. How do I remove the guides without doing any damage. Thanks Bill
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07-27-2015, 02:09 PM | #10 |
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Re: Simca Vedette flathead
Bill, you're pretty well on your own with that one. We'll all be looking to see how YOU remove the guides.
The owner might not realise the size of the task. The commonality and interchangeability of US built engines may lead people to believe all motors have that kind of backup. That isn't the case. You may be able to basically reassemble it into running order with little more than some gaskets, but anything more than that will take a monumental amount of effort (not to mention money) and may prove impossible. I don't even know if gaskets are possible to source outside France. I'm probably being over negative, but I just wanted to make the point that building an off brand motor isn't like putting together a normal issue flathead. (Even a V8-60). Mart. |
08-02-2015, 03:18 AM | #11 |
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Re: Simca Vedette flathead
Valve guides can be removed from the block using a hydraulic press carefully. Guides are assembled in the block by frezzing the guides into liquid nitrogen.
As other people said, none of US V8-60 parts will fit French Vedette Aquilon V8 and parts and gaskets for these engines are difficult to find even in France (and very expensive). |
08-02-2015, 03:56 AM | #12 |
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Re: Simca Vedette flathead
A guide liner might be a simpler way to go....
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