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jack orchard · 10-20-2014, 11:37 AM

I'm preparing to install T5 5-speeds on two of my 8BA Flatheads to be used in F1 pickups. I can use the short pickup bellhousing and an adapter made by Speedy Bill (RIP), or Offenhauser. Another choice would be to use the Hogshead adapter from a large truck and an adapter.
My questions are:
Are there different Hogsheads?
If so, how do i tell the difference?
Who still makes the hogshead adapter to T5?
Would a hogshead config. be better than the Speedy Bill or Offy config?
Many thanks to all.,....jack

JSeery · 10-20-2014, 11:51 AM

A Hogshead is the adapter that Ford used on the later 1940s trucks between the block and the 4-speed. To use a Hogshead on a 1949 and later engine you also need an adapter between the block and the Hogshead like the one shown in the last attachment.

JSeery · 10-20-2014, 12:01 PM

Using a Hogshead to adapt a T5 is a different approach that uses a flat plate adapter as opposed to the bellhousing style of adapters. (last figure of hogshead is from VanPelt).

texas webb · 10-20-2014, 12:01 PM

JSerry beat me to it.Type in hogshead bellhousing in search lots of info.Make sure you get the correct starter plate for the round bell in his pic.

JSeery · 10-20-2014, 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by texas webb

JSerry beat me to it.Type in hogshead bellhousing in search lots of info.Make sure you get the correct starter plate for the round bell in his pic.

Sorry about that!!

29AVEE8 · 10-20-2014, 01:37 PM

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Something to consider: I seem to remember that some of the aluminum adapters have clearance issues when using a 10 inch Long style pressure plate. Perhaps a Borg and Beck will solve the problem, or stick to a nine inch PP. The Hogshead should not have the same problem. Like I said this is something I recall from years ago so you should verify, or perhaps others on here will confirm or dispute this info.

Andy · 10-20-2014, 01:41 PM

I think there are at least two different thickness hogsheads. I have had some and one was deeper than the other. I hope someone will post the good depth for ID.

JSeery · 10-20-2014, 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andy

I think there are at least two different thickness hogsheads. I have had some and one was deeper than the other. I hope someone will post the good depth for ID.

That is true, only the 2 3/4 inch will work as a T5 (or other later) transmission adapter. The measurement is on the attached figure in #3 above. The thicker one is Much thicker.

jack orchard · 10-20-2014, 02:17 PM

Does VanPelt sell the hogshead and/or the adapter? I didn't see either on their website. I have plenty of the short bellhousings and starter plates. Thanks again.,...jack

JSeery · 10-20-2014, 02:21 PM

The Hogshead is an original factory item and I have never seen any supplier have them for sell. They sell for around $100 to $150 on ebay. There is normally one on there every week or so. I currently have 4 I have picked up on ebay.

Edit: just checked and don't see any at the moment, you can search under flathead transmission adapter, flathead truck transmission adapter, hogshead, F1 transmsission adapter, etc.

jack orchard · 10-20-2014, 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JSeery

The Hogshead is an original factory item and I have never seen any supplier have them for sell. They sell for around $100 to $150 on ebay. There is normally one on there every week or so. I currently have 4 I have picked up on ebay.

Do you prefer the hogshead method over the Speedy Bill/Offenhauser method?

JSeery · 10-20-2014, 02:36 PM

I do, but I wanted to do it all myself and made my own adapter plate and use a Ford pattern transmission. It would be easier to use the purchased setups, especially if you are using a Chevy pattern T5. Check out Cornhuskers they are really good guys.

cadillacoffin · 10-20-2014, 03:05 PM

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/t...-plate.625273/

JSeery · 10-20-2014, 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cadillacoffin

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/t...-plate.625273/

LOL, those are from one of my earlier post.

Walt Dupont--Me. · 10-20-2014, 07:19 PM

I like the old hogshead from about 40-52 big truck 4 speed granny low trans, to put the T5 trans in 48 and older car, because it has the thro out shaft and fork for the big bearing. I've bought the adapter from Dwight Bond, he makes it for the T5 and the Ford T5. Someone on here has his Tel. no.

Andy · 10-20-2014, 07:41 PM

Just as an asside, If you have a flywheel for a 10" B&B cover, you can run a 57 Chevy, 56 Dodge and others cover. The fingers for the throwout bearing are steel and can be bent in to fit the chevy throwout bearing.

jack orchard · 10-20-2014, 07:53 PM

I heard Mr Bond is no longer alive. Hope it is not true. Anyone know for sure?

JSeery · 10-20-2014, 08:09 PM

I would also like any information on Bond, email corresponded with him a while back and had the impression that he was no longer selling the flat plate adapters then.

29AVEE8 · 10-20-2014, 08:27 PM

Wilcap makes the plate adapters for the hogshead to Chevy T5, Ford T5, Toploader
4 speed and others.

[email protected]

805-481-7639

JSeery · 10-20-2014, 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 29AVEE8

Wilcap makes the plate adapters for the hogshead to Chevy T5, Ford T5, Toploader
4 speed and others.

[email protected]

805-481-7639

If they do I'd like to see a reference to them, all I have seen from Wilcap are the bellhousing style.

29AVEE8 · 10-20-2014, 09:24 PM

Try this, about halfway down they show a hogshead and mention that they make plates to fit along with part numbers.

www.wilcap.com/flathead.html#FHID

JSeery · 10-20-2014, 09:40 PM

Thanks 29AVEE8. I made my own, but have people ask me about a source every once and a while. From Wilcox site under: www.wilcap.com/flathead.html#FHID

"This is the bellhousing from the 46 and up Ford truck 4 speed. This bellhousing can be used with the an adapter plate to put a number of different transmissions on to the 59A block or with the 8RT bellhousing to adapt various transmissions to the 8BA block. We have made adapters for the GM "Muncie" pattern transmissions including the T5 (FHT-350 BHA), the Ford T5 (FHT-FT5 BHA), the 64-78 Ford top loader (FHT-FTL BHA)."

Sounds like a custom made part, but if they have the patterns shouldn't be a big deal. Thanks again to 29AVEE8!

schulzcep · 02-21-2017, 03:35 PM

I just bought a Wilcap adapter plate and the customer service was awesome! They answered all my questions and have several parts that can make your adaptation easy. I am running a '49 8RT with the Hogshead to a Ford T5, and the adapter plate from Wilcap was like 325. I will try to attach a few pics.

20170111_113228.jpg
20170111_113234.jpg
20170111_113909.jpg

JSeery · 02-21-2017, 04:58 PM

Thanks for posting the photos. Is their plate around 1 inch thick, that's what I used?

RalphM · 02-21-2017, 07:36 PM

That's a reasonable price for that adapter from Wilcap.

Ol' Ron · 02-21-2017, 09:36 PM

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I really lov them Hogs heads, they offer an inexpensive way to install late transmissions to the early blocks. Both theT-170 and the T-5 with a simple adapter plate. However, If you want to install a T-5 behind an 8Ba style block, theymake a simple inexpensive adapter plate to do that sa well. It bolta uo the Passenger car bell housing, both cast and stamped steel. Thus you can use the stock clutch linkage. Richard from fla posted a series of pics on this simpet conversion. I have to get the name of the company tat makes the adapter. I used to make them.

donald1950 · 02-21-2017, 09:57 PM

personally, hogs head is much better than the aluminum addaptors. and remember to use a poilet bushing that is metric as the T5 input shaft is metric. when i did mine i had a machine shop locally make a bushing that fit the ford flywheel and was metric for the input shaft.. using the ford bushing the input shaft will be loose... fit a ford bushing on the T5 input shaft and you will see how sloppy it is.
i have bought several from Dwight Bond. he is still doing them...
[email protected]
1-308-468-5885
i talked with him 4 or 5 months ago.
his is relieved and drilled to use the stock ford throw out collar, spring and throw out bearing assembly.
i do not know how to post a picture of the assembly. i can e-mail several pictures to someone if you PM me....

barnfind · 02-22-2017, 10:17 AM

Looks like Modern Driveline may have a similar adapter plate for $180:
All adapters:
http://transmission.moderndriveline....p?idCategory=7
Hogshead to Ford T5 83 to 93
http://transmission.moderndriveline....-T-5-7p898.htm

I didn't see any adapters for the S10 T5

JSeery · 02-22-2017, 10:33 AM

Barnfind, that one looks almost identical to the style I made for mine. Good information, glade to see Ford T5 adapters are being produced!

JSeery · 02-22-2017, 06:45 PM

Donald1950 emailed me some photos of a Dwight Bond adapter. I had thought he was referring to a Ford pattern adapter, but it appears to be a Chevy pattern.

JSeery · 02-22-2017, 06:56 PM

I'll post some photos of the adapter I built, it is for a Ford bolt pattern and very similar to the MDL adapter.

Ol' Ron · 02-22-2017, 08:02 PM

Yes, Mdern driveline makes the adapter for the 8BA ford 49/57 bell housing for the T-5, Inexpensive and works like a dream.

10-20-2014, 11:37 AM	#1
jack orchard Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: summerfield florida Posts: 383	Hogshead? I'm preparing to install T5 5-speeds on two of my 8BA Flatheads to be used in F1 pickups. I can use the short pickup bellhousing and an adapter made by Speedy Bill (RIP), or Offenhauser. Another choice would be to use the Hogshead adapter from a large truck and an adapter. My questions are: Are there different Hogsheads? If so, how do i tell the difference? Who still makes the hogshead adapter to T5? Would a hogshead config. be better than the Speedy Bill or Offy config? Many thanks to all.,....jack __________________ Proud FNG We fixem cars. Heap Good! Last edited by jack orchard; 10-20-2014 at 11:51 AM. Reason: because i could

10-20-2014, 12:01 PM	#4
texas webb Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: San Antonio Texas Posts: 636	Re: Hogshead? JSerry beat me to it.Type in hogshead bellhousing in search lots of info.Make sure you get the correct starter plate for the round bell in his pic.

10-20-2014, 01:37 PM	#6
29AVEE8 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Redlands, CA Posts: 148	Re: Hogshead? Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Something to consider: I seem to remember that some of the aluminum adapters have clearance issues when using a 10 inch Long style pressure plate. Perhaps a Borg and Beck will solve the problem, or stick to a nine inch PP. The Hogshead should not have the same problem. Like I said this is something I recall from years ago so you should verify, or perhaps others on here will confirm or dispute this info. __________________ Ignorance of the laws of physics does not mean they do not apply to you.

10-20-2014, 01:41 PM	#7
Andy Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Kerrville, Tx Posts: 2,771	Re: Hogshead? I think there are at least two different thickness hogsheads. I have had some and one was deeper than the other. I hope someone will post the good depth for ID.

10-20-2014, 02:17 PM	#9
jack orchard Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: summerfield florida Posts: 383	Re: Hogshead? Does VanPelt sell the hogshead and/or the adapter? I didn't see either on their website. I have plenty of the short bellhousings and starter plates. Thanks again.,...jack __________________ Proud FNG We fixem cars. Heap Good!

10-20-2014, 02:21 PM	#10
JSeery Member Emeritus Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Wichita KS Posts: 16,132	Re: Hogshead? The Hogshead is an original factory item and I have never seen any supplier have them for sell. They sell for around $100 to $150 on ebay. There is normally one on there every week or so. I currently have 4 I have picked up on ebay. Edit: just checked and don't see any at the moment, you can search under flathead transmission adapter, flathead truck transmission adapter, hogshead, F1 transmsission adapter, etc. Last edited by JSeery; 10-20-2014 at 02:28 PM.

10-20-2014, 02:36 PM	#12
JSeery Member Emeritus Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Wichita KS Posts: 16,132	Re: Hogshead? I do, but I wanted to do it all myself and made my own adapter plate and use a Ford pattern transmission. It would be easier to use the purchased setups, especially if you are using a Chevy pattern T5. Check out Cornhuskers they are really good guys.

10-20-2014, 07:19 PM	#15
Walt Dupont--Me. Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Gardiner Me. Posts: 4,200	Re: Hogshead? I like the old hogshead from about 40-52 big truck 4 speed granny low trans, to put the T5 trans in 48 and older car, because it has the thro out shaft and fork for the big bearing. I've bought the adapter from Dwight Bond, he makes it for the T5 and the Ford T5. Someone on here has his Tel. no.

10-20-2014, 07:41 PM	#16
Andy Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Kerrville, Tx Posts: 2,771	Re: Hogshead? Just as an asside, If you have a flywheel for a 10" B&B cover, you can run a 57 Chevy, 56 Dodge and others cover. The fingers for the throwout bearing are steel and can be bent in to fit the chevy throwout bearing.

10-20-2014, 07:53 PM	#17
jack orchard Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: summerfield florida Posts: 383	Re: Hogshead? I heard Mr Bond is no longer alive. Hope it is not true. Anyone know for sure? __________________ Proud FNG We fixem cars. Heap Good!

10-20-2014, 08:09 PM	#18
JSeery Member Emeritus Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Wichita KS Posts: 16,132	Re: Hogshead? I would also like any information on Bond, email corresponded with him a while back and had the impression that he was no longer selling the flat plate adapters then.

10-20-2014, 08:27 PM	#19
29AVEE8 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Redlands, CA Posts: 148	Re: Hogshead? Wilcap makes the plate adapters for the hogshead to Chevy T5, Ford T5, Toploader 4 speed and others. [email protected] 805-481-7639 __________________ Ignorance of the laws of physics does not mean they do not apply to you.

10-20-2014, 09:24 PM	#21
29AVEE8 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Redlands, CA Posts: 148	Re: Hogshead? Try this, about halfway down they show a hogshead and mention that they make plates to fit along with part numbers. www.wilcap.com/flathead.html#FHID __________________ Ignorance of the laws of physics does not mean they do not apply to you.

10-20-2014, 09:40 PM	#22
JSeery Member Emeritus Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Wichita KS Posts: 16,132	Re: Hogshead? Thanks 29AVEE8. I made my own, but have people ask me about a source every once and a while. From Wilcox site under: www.wilcap.com/flathead.html#FHID "This is the bellhousing from the 46 and up Ford truck 4 speed. This bellhousing can be used with the an adapter plate to put a number of different transmissions on to the 59A block or with the 8RT bellhousing to adapt various transmissions to the 8BA block. We have made adapters for the GM "Muncie" pattern transmissions including the T5 (FHT-350 BHA), the Ford T5 (FHT-FT5 BHA), the 64-78 Ford top loader (FHT-FTL BHA)." Sounds like a custom made part, but if they have the patterns shouldn't be a big deal. Thanks again to 29AVEE8!

02-21-2017, 03:35 PM	#23
schulzcep Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 4	Re: Hogshead? I just bought a Wilcap adapter plate and the customer service was awesome! They answered all my questions and have several parts that can make your adaptation easy. I am running a '49 8RT with the Hogshead to a Ford T5, and the adapter plate from Wilcap was like 325. I will try to attach a few pics. 20170111_113228.jpg 20170111_113234.jpg 20170111_113909.jpg

02-21-2017, 04:58 PM	#24
JSeery Member Emeritus Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Wichita KS Posts: 16,132	Re: Hogshead? Thanks for posting the photos. Is their plate around 1 inch thick, that's what I used? Last edited by JSeery; 02-22-2017 at 06:41 PM.

02-21-2017, 07:36 PM	#25
RalphM Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: North Pole, Alaska Posts: 2,651	Re: Hogshead? That's a reasonable price for that adapter from Wilcap.

02-21-2017, 09:36 PM	#26
Ol' Ron Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Chester Vt Posts: 8,860	Re: Hogshead? Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) I really lov them Hogs heads, they offer an inexpensive way to install late transmissions to the early blocks. Both theT-170 and the T-5 with a simple adapter plate. However, If you want to install a T-5 behind an 8Ba style block, theymake a simple inexpensive adapter plate to do that sa well. It bolta uo the Passenger car bell housing, both cast and stamped steel. Thus you can use the stock clutch linkage. Richard from fla posted a series of pics on this simpet conversion. I have to get the name of the company tat makes the adapter. I used to make them.

02-21-2017, 09:57 PM	#27
donald1950 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: san antonio, texas Posts: 461	Re: Hogshead? personally, hogs head is much better than the aluminum addaptors. and remember to use a poilet bushing that is metric as the T5 input shaft is metric. when i did mine i had a machine shop locally make a bushing that fit the ford flywheel and was metric for the input shaft.. using the ford bushing the input shaft will be loose... fit a ford bushing on the T5 input shaft and you will see how sloppy it is. i have bought several from Dwight Bond. he is still doing them... [email protected] 1-308-468-5885 i talked with him 4 or 5 months ago. his is relieved and drilled to use the stock ford throw out collar, spring and throw out bearing assembly. i do not know how to post a picture of the assembly. i can e-mail several pictures to someone if you PM me.... Last edited by donald1950; 02-21-2017 at 10:07 PM.

02-22-2017, 10:17 AM	#28
barnfind Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 426	Re: Hogshead? Looks like Modern Driveline may have a similar adapter plate for $180: All adapters: http://transmission.moderndriveline....p?idCategory=7 Hogshead to Ford T5 83 to 93 http://transmission.moderndriveline....-T-5-7p898.htm I didn't see any adapters for the S10 T5

02-22-2017, 10:33 AM	#29
JSeery Member Emeritus Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Wichita KS Posts: 16,132	Re: Hogshead? Barnfind, that one looks almost identical to the style I made for mine. Good information, glade to see Ford T5 adapters are being produced! Last edited by JSeery; 02-22-2017 at 08:47 PM.

02-22-2017, 08:02 PM	#32
Ol' Ron Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Chester Vt Posts: 8,860	Re: Hogshead? Yes, Mdern driveline makes the adapter for the 8BA ford 49/57 bell housing for the T-5, Inexpensive and works like a dream.