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Clem Clement · 08-28-2021, 05:56 AM

I have DOT 5 in my '39 Pickup brake system. Why are members having trouble bleeding? I usually ask Sandy to pump and hold the break pressure on and ease the bleed-valve open, listen/watch the small stream of DOT 5 , and close the fitting before the pedal hits the floor.
V/r,
clem

Clem Clement · 08-28-2021, 06:01 AM

why are some folks having trouble bleeding brakes? I have DOT 5 in my '39 pickup. I ask Sandy to pump and hold pressure, open the bleed valve slightly, watch/listen to the liquid stream, close the valve before the pedal hits bottom.
V/r, Clem

19Fordy · 08-28-2021, 09:35 AM

Be sure to follow the directions posted earlier by rockfla as found in the manual shown below. I use a 2x4 and a bathroom scale to obtain 35 pound reading. I also use Speed Bleeders and make sure the master cylinder never runs dry. When bleeding, press the pedal slowly down each time so as not to introduce any air bubbles.

mike42 · 08-29-2021, 07:50 AM

Clem .....

I lived at Ladd AFB Strategic Air Command in '51, '52 and '53. My Dad was Adjutant General of the base. I was 9 years old when we got there. He also flew the B-52's and F-86's

Great time of my life !!

Mike

mike42 · 08-29-2021, 07:51 AM

Clem ....

I just had a hell of a time getting them to bleed until I got the Pressure Tank. First time I used it they were solid !

Mike

V8COOPMAN · 08-29-2021, 09:15 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mike42

Clem .....

I lived at Ladd AFB Strategic Air Command in '51, '52 and '53. My Dad was Adjutant General of the base. I was 9 years old when we got there. He also flew the B-52's and F-86's

Great time of my life !!

Mike

Your Dad sounds WAY-COOL!

You should recognize THIS "car-guy"! DD

Clem Clement · 08-30-2021, 11:09 AM

V8COOPMAN,
I started out flying the WB-50 for the Air Weather Service. I have 4 in flight penetrations. Loved the shake and bake. Then some time in Tac Tackers in Thailand, C-47's in Hawaii and Convairs in Alabama and Germany. I miss the early morning launches with the sun not up yet and the dew running down the bird.

(Night landings and day landings are the same b except you can't see at night.(:>))

Clem Clement · 08-30-2021, 11:14 AM

When tightening a weeping front brake line, the hose twists. Is there a sliding fitting to prevent this?

mike42 · 09-02-2021, 03:58 AM

V8 ….. sorry don’t recognize the guy in photo.

glennpm · 09-02-2021, 07:02 AM

Grouco Marx with his signature cigar?

This is an interesting Marx brothers race:

https://justacarguy.blogspot.com/201...-brothers.html

mike42 · 09-02-2021, 07:52 AM

I'll check it out !

V8COOPMAN · 09-02-2021, 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mike42

V8 ….. sorry don’t recognize the guy in photo.

That is General Curtis Lemay. He became the original Commander of SAC, the Strategic Air Command from 1948 thru 1957. He then became Air Force Vice Chief of Staff. He took over Command of the B-29 program in the Pacific during WWII. He oversaw dropping the A-bombs. Before the Pacific, he had developed the bombardment tactics that left Germany in rubble. He organized the Berlin Airlift. In 1961, he became Air Force Chief of Staff. He served as a General for seventeen years....longer than any other man in US Military history. He was one bad hombre! Look-up some of his many infamous quotes (link below) which I can't print here.

https://www.bing.com/images/search?q...mageBasicHover

He was huge into sports car racing, introducing SCCA sponsored racing on USAF bases. He once wrecked a turbine-powered Allard that he couldn't get stopped.

Sitting in his own Allard with another driver.

.

Mart · 09-02-2021, 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clem Clement

When tightening a weeping front brake line, the hose twists. Is there a sliding fitting to prevent this?

You should loosen the other end so the hose can rotate and when the wheel cylinder end is fitted ok, then tighten the other (chassis) end.

19Fordy · 09-02-2021, 07:45 PM

We need General Lemay today more than ever.

Fairlane500 · 09-04-2021, 01:16 AM

Just had this same issue and trimming the shoes remedied, worth bringing this thread back into the main for others to see. Only took about 1.5mm off each shoe. Bit more than the 20” but got a good result with new cylinders, shoes and drums.

Tinker · 09-04-2021, 01:26 AM

The ability to arch shoes are a lost art since the 50-60s.... The machines pop up sometimes on craglist for arching shoes.

this post is chuck norris approved...

glennpm · 09-04-2021, 06:23 AM

[QUOTE=V8COOPMAN;2052347]That is General Curtis Lemay. He became the original Commander of SAC, the Strategic Air Command from 1948 thru 1957. He then became Air Force Vice Chief of Staff. He took over Command of the B-29 program in the Pacific during WWII. He oversaw dropping the A-bombs. Before the Pacific, he had developed the bombardment tactics that left Germany in rubble. He organized the Berlin Airlift. In 1961, he became Air Force Chief of Staff. He served as a General for seventeen years....longer than any other man in US Military history. He was one bad hombre! Look-up some of his many infamous quotes (link below) which I can't print here.

Great history Coop!

Terry,OH · 09-04-2021, 06:32 AM

Is there a source for a steel master cylinder cap to convert it for a pressure bleeder? All I have seen are original white metal style

mike42 · 09-04-2021, 06:54 AM

Coop……I remember Lemay making a visit to Ladd back in the day. It was a very BIG deal when he came in. I have a photo of my Dad on a microphone making a speech in a Grand Stand set up on the taxi area of the airfield.

Haven’t heard that name in a long time.

Clem Clement · 09-09-2021, 02:56 PM

General LeMay was a great leader. When he noticed some of his troops were getting into trouble, he directed that every base have a auto hobby shop. On travel he used to visit the shops. I had many happy hours in USAF auto shops.

One time while TDY to Germany, the General was met by a WWII buddy riding a motorcycle. When he brought the bike back, he asked the guy if he was worried about the General? No, i'm worried about my bike...

08-28-2021, 05:56 AM	#41
Clem Clement Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Fairfax, VA Posts: 3,393	Re: '40 Brake Bleeding I have DOT 5 in my '39 Pickup brake system. Why are members having trouble bleeding? I usually ask Sandy to pump and hold the break pressure on and ease the bleed-valve open, listen/watch the small stream of DOT 5 , and close the fitting before the pedal hits the floor. V/r, clem

08-28-2021, 06:01 AM	#42
Clem Clement Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Fairfax, VA Posts: 3,393	Re: '40 Brake Bleeding why are some folks having trouble bleeding brakes? I have DOT 5 in my '39 pickup. I ask Sandy to pump and hold pressure, open the bleed valve slightly, watch/listen to the liquid stream, close the valve before the pedal hits bottom. V/r, Clem

08-29-2021, 07:50 AM	#44
mike42 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Gaylord, Michigan Posts: 1,605	Re: '40 Brake Bleeding Clem ..... I lived at Ladd AFB Strategic Air Command in '51, '52 and '53. My Dad was Adjutant General of the base. I was 9 years old when we got there. He also flew the B-52's and F-86's Great time of my life !! Mike

08-29-2021, 07:51 AM	#45
mike42 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Gaylord, Michigan Posts: 1,605	Re: '40 Brake Bleeding Clem .... I just had a hell of a time getting them to bleed until I got the Pressure Tank. First time I used it they were solid ! Mike

08-30-2021, 11:09 AM	#47
Clem Clement Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Fairfax, VA Posts: 3,393	Re: '40 Brake Bleeding V8COOPMAN, I started out flying the WB-50 for the Air Weather Service. I have 4 in flight penetrations. Loved the shake and bake. Then some time in Tac Tackers in Thailand, C-47's in Hawaii and Convairs in Alabama and Germany. I miss the early morning launches with the sun not up yet and the dew running down the bird. (Night landings and day landings are the same b except you can't see at night.(:>))

08-30-2021, 11:14 AM	#48
Clem Clement Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Fairfax, VA Posts: 3,393	Re: '40 Brake Bleeding When tightening a weeping front brake line, the hose twists. Is there a sliding fitting to prevent this?

09-02-2021, 03:58 AM	#49
mike42 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Gaylord, Michigan Posts: 1,605	Re: '40 Brake Bleeding V8 ….. sorry don’t recognize the guy in photo.

09-02-2021, 07:02 AM	#50
glennpm Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Wiscasset, Maine Posts: 1,981	Re: '40 Brake Bleeding Grouco Marx with his signature cigar? This is an interesting Marx brothers race: https://justacarguy.blogspot.com/201...-brothers.html

09-02-2021, 07:52 AM	#51
mike42 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Gaylord, Michigan Posts: 1,605	Re: '40 Brake Bleeding I'll check it out !

09-02-2021, 07:45 PM	#54
19Fordy Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Coral Springs FL Posts: 10,941	Re: '40 Brake Bleeding We need General Lemay today more than ever.

09-04-2021, 01:16 AM	#55
Fairlane500 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Christchurch, New Zealand Posts: 250	Re: '40 Brake Bleeding Just had this same issue and trimming the shoes remedied, worth bringing this thread back into the main for others to see. Only took about 1.5mm off each shoe. Bit more than the 20” but got a good result with new cylinders, shoes and drums. __________________ Life is not a dress rehearsal...

09-04-2021, 06:23 AM	#57
glennpm Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Wiscasset, Maine Posts: 1,981	Re: '40 Brake Bleeding [QUOTE=V8COOPMAN;2052347]That is General Curtis Lemay. He became the original Commander of SAC, the Strategic Air Command from 1948 thru 1957. He then became Air Force Vice Chief of Staff. He took over Command of the B-29 program in the Pacific during WWII. He oversaw dropping the A-bombs. Before the Pacific, he had developed the bombardment tactics that left Germany in rubble. He organized the Berlin Airlift. In 1961, he became Air Force Chief of Staff. He served as a General for seventeen years....longer than any other man in US Military history. He was one bad hombre! Look-up some of his many infamous quotes (link below) which I can't print here. Great history Coop!

09-04-2021, 06:32 AM	#58
Terry,OH Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 4,751	Re: '40 Brake Bleeding Is there a source for a steel master cylinder cap to convert it for a pressure bleeder? All I have seen are original white metal style

09-04-2021, 06:54 AM	#59
mike42 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Gaylord, Michigan Posts: 1,605	Re: '40 Brake Bleeding Coop……I remember Lemay making a visit to Ladd back in the day. It was a very BIG deal when he came in. I have a photo of my Dad on a microphone making a speech in a Grand Stand set up on the taxi area of the airfield. Haven’t heard that name in a long time.

09-09-2021, 02:56 PM	#60
Clem Clement Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Fairfax, VA Posts: 3,393	Re: '40 Brake Bleeding General LeMay was a great leader. When he noticed some of his troops were getting into trouble, he directed that every base have a auto hobby shop. On travel he used to visit the shops. I had many happy hours in USAF auto shops. One time while TDY to Germany, the General was met by a WWII buddy riding a motorcycle. When he brought the bike back, he asked the guy if he was worried about the General? No, i'm worried about my bike...