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glmke · 01-10-2015, 03:33 PM

driver side water pump is seeping water. Im going to replace with new water pumps, question is what should i be aware of while replacing the pump, any tricks or hints ect.

JSeery · 01-10-2015, 03:34 PM

The biggest question would be where you get your pumps from.

glmke · 01-10-2015, 03:37 PM

i think ill go with speedway

JSeery · 01-10-2015, 03:41 PM

I'm using speedway, but a lot of folks on the barn promote Skip, a rebuilder. I think if you are doing to the trouble I would replace both pumps (which it sounds like you are doing). The only real issue with removing the pumps is the bolt on the inside.

supereal · 01-10-2015, 03:49 PM

Water pumps are like headlights. When one fails, the other will be close behind. As said above, you will find a hidden bolt inside the inlet. Use a six point socket to remove it so the head isn't rounded. We replace those with a stainless steel bolt. Most good hardware stores have them, so you won't have to order. Skip's new turbine style pumps are a good choice for a new pair.

Mart · 01-10-2015, 04:02 PM

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If you have a 14mm six sided socket and it goes onto the hidden bolt (may require a little tapping on) it is a slightly tighter fit than a standard 9/16". Might be worth trying first.

Mart.

19Fordy · 01-10-2015, 04:23 PM

Remember, upon assembly Antiseize compound is your friend. And don't over
tighten the bolts. 30 foot pounds works nicely. 51 Mercury manual says to use 28 foot pounds.

CTH automotive · 01-14-2015, 10:52 AM

I used Bob Drake's. redesigned for better flow. Better impeller, and a reasonable price.

Talkwrench · 01-14-2015, 07:06 PM

All of the above , Im sure it was Marts advice that got me out of trouble.. getting that inner bolt out can be a PITA !

Old Henry · 01-14-2015, 08:45 PM

Got my water pumps from C&G. They are the new high flow design with the airfoil centrifugal impeller and ball bearings. Have worked well for me for years.

WestCoast · 01-14-2015, 09:02 PM

the bolt mentioned is inside the lower water outlet on the pump where the lower radiator hose goes

Kube · 01-14-2015, 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by supereal

Water pumps are like headlights. When one fails, the other will be close behind. As said above, you will find a hidden bolt inside the inlet. Use a six point socket to remove it so the head isn't rounded. We replace those with a stainless steel bolt. Most good hardware stores have them, so you won't have to order. Skip's new turbine style pumps are a good choice for a new pair.

GLMKE, I could not agree more with what Bob (supereal) has to say here.

I would not go with anything but a Skip (George Haney) rebuild. Those pumps form China scare me. I say "do it once, do it correctly".
George is reasonable, does great work and is quick to boot.

JM 35 Sedan · 01-14-2015, 09:35 PM

Another vote for Skip Haney rebuilt water pumps. I like having original part numbered cores rebuilt for use on my cars. Have had five sets done by Skip and no problems. If I did have a problem, I know Skip will stand behind his work and make it right. My second choice, if for some reason I could not get them done by Skip, would be Fryer's Early Ford Water Pumps. All of the other new pumps being sold today, by the well known suppliers, are coming out of China. Some report they are holding up well for them, but I will stick with pumps made or rebuilt in the USA.

Old Henry · 01-15-2015, 01:10 AM

Keep in mind that Skip does not recommend using his pumps with thermostats. So, if you're going to use thermostats, better get the other pumps. Here's "the rest of the story" on that subject: http://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=106054

JM 35 Sedan · 01-15-2015, 06:05 AM

I use thermostats with Skips pumps....not a problem.

BILL WZOREK · 01-15-2015, 07:21 AM

Quite the Balancing act ~ Run good circulating pumps to keep the engine from running Hot / Now throw in 180* + or - Stats to keep her running warn to get the best performance out of the old gal :::::::::::

Cecil/WV · 01-15-2015, 08:02 AM

[QUOTE=Old Henry;1015668]Keep in mind that Skip does not recommend using his pumps with thermostats. So, if you're going to use thermostats, better get the other pumps. Here's "the rest of the story" on that subject: http://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=106054[/Q

I have 3 sets of Skips pumps, 2 sets on 8BA's and 1 set on a 59A and they do what they are supposed to do. Good quality and long lasting.

Vic Piano · 01-15-2015, 09:05 AM

Here's another vote for Skip's pumps, I'm running them on our '39 CS, '39 LZ, '51 F-1 & '53 F-100.

37don · 01-15-2015, 09:31 AM

Just my opinion but Skips pumps have a real turbine type impeller rather than paddles that are just at an angle . Skips pumps don't create air bubbles like the paddle type pumps do. Yes I Have a set of Skips pumps and I have 170 stats and it NEVER overheats. My pumps have over 30,000 mi on them with no issues.If I need service Skip will be there and in a very timely manner, those off shore pumps will be yours to fix or replace. We need to support our usa small businessman when possible. I'm sure some will disagree with me but this is just my opinoin.
regards, Don

JT FORD · 01-15-2015, 10:21 AM

I have Speedway pumps on two shoeboxes. One set 14 years and one set 12 years. They are fine for me.

01-10-2015, 03:33 PM	#1
glmke Junior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Gresham Oregon Posts: 18	239 Flathead water pump driver side water pump is seeping water. Im going to replace with new water pumps, question is what should i be aware of while replacing the pump, any tricks or hints ect.

01-10-2015, 03:34 PM	#2
JSeery Member Emeritus Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Wichita KS Posts: 16,132	Re: 239 Flathead water pump The biggest question would be where you get your pumps from.

01-10-2015, 03:37 PM	#3
glmke Junior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Gresham Oregon Posts: 18	Re: 239 Flathead water pump i think ill go with speedway

01-10-2015, 03:41 PM	#4
JSeery Member Emeritus Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Wichita KS Posts: 16,132	Re: 239 Flathead water pump I'm using speedway, but a lot of folks on the barn promote Skip, a rebuilder. I think if you are doing to the trouble I would replace both pumps (which it sounds like you are doing). The only real issue with removing the pumps is the bolt on the inside.

01-10-2015, 03:49 PM	#5
supereal Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Iowa Posts: 1,634	Re: 239 Flathead water pump Water pumps are like headlights. When one fails, the other will be close behind. As said above, you will find a hidden bolt inside the inlet. Use a six point socket to remove it so the head isn't rounded. We replace those with a stainless steel bolt. Most good hardware stores have them, so you won't have to order. Skip's new turbine style pumps are a good choice for a new pair.

01-10-2015, 04:02 PM	#6
Mart Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Solihull, England. Posts: 8,756	Re: 239 Flathead water pump Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) If you have a 14mm six sided socket and it goes onto the hidden bolt (may require a little tapping on) it is a slightly tighter fit than a standard 9/16". Might be worth trying first. Mart.

01-10-2015, 04:23 PM	#7
19Fordy Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Coral Springs FL Posts: 10,950	Re: 239 Flathead water pump Remember, upon assembly Antiseize compound is your friend. And don't over tighten the bolts. 30 foot pounds works nicely. 51 Mercury manual says to use 28 foot pounds.

01-14-2015, 10:52 AM	#8
CTH automotive Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Greenwich NY. Posts: 42	Re: 239 Flathead water pump I used Bob Drake's. redesigned for better flow. Better impeller, and a reasonable price.

01-14-2015, 07:06 PM	#9
Talkwrench Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 2,687	Re: 239 Flathead water pump All of the above , Im sure it was Marts advice that got me out of trouble.. getting that inner bolt out can be a PITA ! __________________ *"Came too close to dying to stop living now!"*

01-14-2015, 08:45 PM	#10
Old Henry Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Orem, Utah Posts: 5,762	Re: 239 Flathead water pump Got my water pumps from C&G. They are the new high flow design with the airfoil centrifugal impeller and ball bearings. Have worked well for me for years. __________________ Prof. Henry (The Roaming Gnome) "It is good to have an end to journey toward; but it is the journey that matters, in the end.” *Ursula K. Le Guin in The Left Hand of Darkness

01-14-2015, 09:02 PM	#11
WestCoast Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: oroville calif Posts: 893	Re: 239 Flathead water pump the bolt mentioned is inside the lower water outlet on the pump where the lower radiator hose goes

01-14-2015, 09:35 PM	#13
JM 35 Sedan Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Near Rising Sun, Maryland Posts: 10,859	Re: 239 Flathead water pump Another vote for Skip Haney rebuilt water pumps. I like having original part numbered cores rebuilt for use on my cars. Have had five sets done by Skip and no problems. If I did have a problem, I know Skip will stand behind his work and make it right. My second choice, if for some reason I could not get them done by Skip, would be Fryer's Early Ford Water Pumps. All of the other new pumps being sold today, by the well known suppliers, are coming out of China. Some report they are holding up well for them, but I will stick with pumps made or rebuilt in the USA. __________________ *John* *"Never give up on what you really want to do. The person with big dreams is more powerful than one with all the facts". Albert Einstein*

01-15-2015, 01:10 AM	#14
Old Henry Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Orem, Utah Posts: 5,762	Re: 239 Flathead water pump Keep in mind that Skip does not recommend using his pumps with thermostats. So, if you're going to use thermostats, better get the other pumps. Here's "the rest of the story" on that subject: http://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=106054 __________________ Prof. Henry (The Roaming Gnome) "It is good to have an end to journey toward; but it is the journey that matters, in the end.” *Ursula K. Le Guin in The Left Hand of Darkness

01-15-2015, 06:05 AM	#15
JM 35 Sedan Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Near Rising Sun, Maryland Posts: 10,859	Re: 239 Flathead water pump I use thermostats with Skips pumps....not a problem. __________________ *John* *"Never give up on what you really want to do. The person with big dreams is more powerful than one with all the facts". Albert Einstein*

01-15-2015, 07:21 AM	#16
BILL WZOREK Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Florence Ma. Posts: 2,404	Re: 239 Flathead water pump Quite the Balancing act ~ Run good circulating pumps to keep the engine from running Hot / Now throw in 180* + or - Stats to keep her running warn to get the best performance out of the old gal :::::::::::

01-15-2015, 08:02 AM	#17
Cecil/WV Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Gerrardstown, WV Posts: 2,266	Re: 239 Flathead water pump [QUOTE=Old Henry;1015668]Keep in mind that Skip does not recommend using his pumps with thermostats. So, if you're going to use thermostats, better get the other pumps. Here's "the rest of the story" on that subject: http://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=106054[/Q I have 3 sets of Skips pumps, 2 sets on 8BA's and 1 set on a 59A and they do what they are supposed to do. Good quality and long lasting.

01-15-2015, 09:05 AM	#18
Vic Piano Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Odessa, FL Posts: 7,611	Re: 239 Flathead water pump Here's another vote for Skip's pumps, I'm running them on our '39 CS, '39 LZ, '51 F-1 & '53 F-100. __________________ Imagination is more important than knowledge.

01-15-2015, 09:31 AM	#19
37don Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: South Kingstown, R.I. Posts: 262	Re: 239 Flathead water pump Just my opinion but Skips pumps have a real turbine type impeller rather than paddles that are just at an angle . Skips pumps don't create air bubbles like the paddle type pumps do. Yes I Have a set of Skips pumps and I have 170 stats and it NEVER overheats. My pumps have over 30,000 mi on them with no issues.If I need service Skip will be there and in a very timely manner, those off shore pumps will be yours to fix or replace. We need to support our usa small businessman when possible. I'm sure some will disagree with me but this is just my opinoin. regards, Don

01-15-2015, 10:21 AM	#20
JT FORD Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: N.W. Iowa Posts: 306	Re: 239 Flathead water pump I have Speedway pumps on two shoeboxes. One set 14 years and one set 12 years. They are fine for me.