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01-08-2022, 11:00 AM | #21 |
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Re: Tips on transmission removal 1954 Ford
I used to do that all the time. Cars & trucks would come in that would no longer crank over due to a chewed up flexplate. Working flat rate you had to finish it as quickly as possible and get it repaired right. After you get the trans back far enough to reach the flywheel bolts you just remove the bolts & install the new flexplate. In my waaay younger days I had done so many I could do one in an hour.
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01-08-2022, 11:38 AM | #23 |
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Re: Tips on transmission removal 1954 Ford
I think it could be done after removing the air flow duct and removing the 8 bolts that holds the transmission support to the frame. The rear side of the flexplate is only a little over an inch from the rear of the block so I'm thinking a person could get in there after sliding it back 4 inches. Of course more would be better.
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01-08-2022, 11:43 AM | #24 |
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Re: Tips on transmission removal 1954 Ford
Its in my sons garage without a lift. I've done mustang 289s a couple times pulling the trans back enough to replace the flywheel/flexplate but never a 54.
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01-08-2022, 01:21 PM | #25 |
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Re: Tips on transmission removal 1954 Ford
as has been said it will go back far enough. pull the carpet back over the hump and youll see 2 plugs in the floor.the 2 top bolts are behind them.
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01-08-2022, 02:06 PM | #26 |
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01-08-2022, 06:05 PM | #27 |
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Re: Tips on transmission removal 1954 Ford
Thanks to everyone. I appreciate all the responses. We will slide back just enough to swap out the flexplate!
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01-09-2022, 04:33 PM | #28 | |
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One other way to do it (but you still need to separate the trans case from the bellhousing and converter under the car), is to hold the trans case up with your floor jack (very dangerous) while you are removing flex-plate to converter bolts and bellhousing to engine bolts, then lower the converter and bellhousing down after pushing the trans case backward to allow front pump shaft to clear the converter (and extreme caution is required because you don't want to bump the two dogs and break them off of the converter hub). After the bellhousing and converter are out of the way, then there's all kinds of room to roll your floor-jack forward with the trans case on it and lower without the need to tilt the case. I recommend having TWO guys under the car working the jack, moving the jack forward and back and the other guy removing bolts and holding on to trans case/bellhousing to prevent falling off jack and onto concrete floor where they can easily crack. The way I described to remove initially by pulling case out first and then removing converter and bellhousing I have actually done myself MANY times on different cars ('55/56's) without any help. I am about 5'-4" tall and never weighed more than 102 lbs my entire life. Never had any problems, but I'm highly well organized, properly tooled (even with my home-made floor-jack and other homemade tools) have patience and methodology to complete the task. It is not easy, but it is worth it if you can do it yourself, you know it is right and you save a ton of money in labor costs and don't have to worry about some moron in a shop who cares nothing for your car rip[ping things apart and breaking stuff that is not easily replaced. A THIRD way is to remove car radiator, disconnect all wiring and hoses to the engine, remove all engine mount bolts, then pull both the entire engine and full transmission out of the car a a unit. If doing this, I would recommend removing air-cooled converter intake air duct and screen under the car and the engine crankshaft ventilation tube so that those wont get bent or damaged during engine removal. |
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Also, how do you hoist the converter back up on the new flex-plate with the bellhousing in the way (and get the holes to line up too)???' Have you personally done that on a '54? |
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01-09-2022, 06:05 PM | #30 |
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Re: Tips on transmission removal 1954 Ford
the converter doesnt fall out.all you need is a boxend wrench.
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This will give a full description as to how and why. ATTACHED - There are two pages in the 1954 WSM describing R&R. Below is PG 1. It should give you an idea of how to go about it. I will post PG2 when I figure this %#&!* computer out ...
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01-09-2022, 09:29 PM | #33 |
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Re: Tips on transmission removal 1954 Ford
Hi everyone,
I do appreciate all the info from everyone. KULTULZ I do appreciate the page from the service manual (i did find a section in a Chiltons manual but not nearly as detailed). Yes I would greatly appreciate if you get page 2 posted as I'm not going to buy a manual or cd at this point as my son is going to sell the 54 once get a few things fixed. Steve |
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As far as the torque converter to flex-plate bolts, yes you should remove the half-moon shaped front inspection plate and rotate crankshaft till the tabs on the flex-plate appear and remove those 3 bolts then rotate another 180 degrees and get the other 3 bolts off. That will separate the converter from the flex-plate so you can push the transmission bellhousing away from the engine in order to access the flex-plate-to-engine crankshaft bolts. The question is, will there be enough room to get a socket and breaker bar between the front of bellhousing and flexplate to remove those bolts. |
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Hi ,
Daves55Sedan thanks for the tips and suggestions. KULTULZ thanks for your attempts at posting the second page. If my son doesn't sell or trade this 54 in the next few weeks I will report back at how we get along. Thanks Steve |
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So here are some pictures for your edification. The TC has 18 bolts and nuts around it's circumference that hold it to the flex plate. The transmission input shaft is four inches long and the cavitty it slides into is four inches deep. Looking at the input shaft, the bevel that is at the 1 1/2 inch mark is where the snap ring I spoke of previously clamps the shaft. That keeps the TC from moving fore and aft. And yes, I believe the transmission with the bellhousing and TC connected can be slid rearward enough to get a wrench on the flexplate bolts.
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I think you are wrong. It's been awhile since I removed my Fordo for a C-4, but they were both the same as far as the converter was concerned. No attachment of the converter to the main trans. Power is transferred to the converter via the splines on the input shaft of the main trans. Both converters (Fordo and C4) would just slide in and slide out. My Fordo was a 56 air cooled, I would assume the 54 converter was the same.
I assume the the two tangs at the rear of the converter also connect to something in the main case. Not being an autotrans guy, I don't know the mechanics of it.
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... ain't this something ... ???
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Re: Tips on transmission removal 1954 Ford
These '54 (& '55 / '56 ?) and newer flex plate examples fasten to the torque converter with either 6 or 4 bolts. Depending if they're the 'early' or newer / replacement style.
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