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Old 11-17-2016, 05:42 PM   #1
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Default Number 1 cylinder on V8

We are working on a Ford V8 flathead engine. We have the heads off and a lively discussion was had about the number one cylinder. Is the number 1 in the front on the driver's side or on the passenger side? There is a bet riding on this one. Also we can't find torque specs for the heads and the intake manifold.
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I believe #1 is on the passenger side at the front.
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Marty,the winner is...big drum roll......*PASSENGER*. It's an odd beast in that the leading cyl, that is the first conrod on the crank ,is not the first one in the firing order.
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Old 11-17-2016, 05:55 PM   #4
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Old 11-17-2016, 06:04 PM   #5
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Marty,the winner is...big drum roll......*PASSENGER*. It's an odd beast in that the leading cyl, that is the first conrod on the crank ,is not the first one in the firing order.
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Gary, this depends on which side is the passenger side.

To avoid confusion, the #1 cylinder on a flathead Ford engine is always on the right side of the vehicle.
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Old 11-17-2016, 06:08 PM   #6
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Head bolts should be torqued to 45 - 50 ft. lb.
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Old 11-17-2016, 06:08 PM   #7
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Go to this link for torque specs. > http://www.vanpeltsales.com/FH_web/f...rque-specs.htm
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Old 11-17-2016, 06:32 PM   #8
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Passenger bank 1-2-3-4 driver bank 5-6-7-8 in the USA , unlike gm cars! Dave
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Old 11-17-2016, 06:43 PM   #9
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Passenger bank 1-2-3-4 driver bank 5-6-7-8 in the USA , unlike gm cars! Dave
It has happened where a person didn't follow the above sequence(front to rear) when placing plug wires on the distributor. Don't ask how I know.

Also your firing order will be:1-5-4-8-6-3-7-2
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Old 11-17-2016, 06:47 PM   #10
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Modern Ford`s are still numbered the same. 1 2 3 4 on the right side.
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Old 11-17-2016, 07:54 PM   #11
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Thanks guys. We got the engine out tonight and the advice you all gave me will help more than you know. Also, this Van Pelt site has lots of good information.
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Old 11-17-2016, 07:55 PM   #12
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Oh, and by the way, I won the bet.
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Old 11-17-2016, 08:42 PM   #13
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I believe that the Ford flathead v8 is the outlier in that in almost all instances -- the cylinder farthest forward is #1. I don't know of another v8 engine other then our flathead 8 where #1 isn't the farthest forward. Anyone out there know of another?
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Kube>>>To avoid confusion, the #1 cylinder on a flathead Ford engine is always on the right side of the vehicle.>>>

To avoid further confusion, which is the right side? And is the #1 cylinder the first cylinder on the right side in the back or the last cylinder on the right side in the front? 8^)

For some reason I can only remember the flathead firing order as 18736542 and the GM-Chrysler firing order 18436572 with the cylinders numbered 1 to 8 front to back as they should be. Except of course some modern GM engines that went to the old flathead firing order for some insignificant reason that really escapes me.

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Old 11-18-2016, 01:19 AM   #15
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IMHO; Automotive wise,left or right is always derived from sitting in the drivers seat, not from standing in front of the vehicle looking at it.
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When I went to wire up my Ford V 8, I used my past experience with Lincoln
V 12s. In the lincoln V 12 the furthest cylinder forward is #1 and that entire bank is odd numbered 1-3-5-7-9-11. I learned quick the the Ford is a different animal.
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Kube>>>To avoid confusion, the #1 cylinder on a flathead Ford engine is always on the right side of the vehicle.>>>

For some reason I can only remember the flathead firing order as 18736542

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Only problem Jack - that isn't it! LOL

It is 15486372
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Old 11-18-2016, 08:35 PM   #18
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Bored&Stroked>>>It is 15486372 >>>

Yes, with the cylinders numbered 51627384 front to back, 15486372 is then correct. But with the cylinders numbered 12345678 front to back, 18736542 is still correct. 8^) Jack E/NJ
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Old 11-18-2016, 08:49 PM   #19
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How about a flathead running a 180 degree crank. Order is 18364527. Sounds like 2 four bangers. Lots of fun......
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Kube>>>To avoid confusion, the #1 cylinder on a flathead Ford engine is always on the right side of the vehicle.>>>

To avoid further confusion, which is the right side? And is the #1 cylinder the first cylinder on the right side in the back or the last cylinder on the right side in the front? 8^)

For some reason I can only remember the flathead firing order as 18736542 and the GM-Chrysler firing order 18436572 with the cylinders numbered 1 to 8 front to back as they should be. Except of course some modern GM engines that went to the old flathead firing order for some insignificant reason that really escapes me.

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The side of a car is determined by how you, the driver, would have it when sitting in the vehicle. THAT industry standard avoids all confusion whether the car was destined for domestic or non-domestic use.
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