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41Joe · 03-23-2016, 03:13 PM

So I was on Craigslist and I found someone selling a set of Weiand Cheater Heads. They looks nice in the picture. Does the price sound reasonable? I like the look of stock heads over the finned heads, but I also like aftermarket parts and aluminum heads for some reason.
Another question, would these work okay on a stock engine with stock cam?

19Fordy · 03-23-2016, 03:28 PM

Seems like a lot of money for a set of heads whose condition and history are unknown.
Buy new heads to be sure of what you are getting.

scooder · 03-23-2016, 03:52 PM

Would they work ok on a stock engine with stock cam? Hell yea! They are very cool, if I had em I'd run em. If there in usable condition of course. And that is they difference between good parts and good wall decorations. You'd need to get up close and personal with them to really see. I've used Ford aluminium heads that look worse than those appear in the pic, and they worked fine. Only pulled them off to fit Navarro heads. But it's a small pic. They need to be under your nose to judge. If there ok for use, are they worth the money? How much money did all the other wieand cheater heads you've seen go for?
It's your money, only you know the answer.
They don't appear to have been cut a lot, that's a plus.
Martin.

Vanspeed · 03-23-2016, 04:14 PM

I had a pair on a warmed up 59A, loved them. They were never admitted by Weiand as ever being made. They bring good money now. The price is very fair.

41Joe · 03-23-2016, 04:31 PM

Thanks for all the information. I know they are rare, another reason why I want them. Hopefully they are still available when I have a chance to see them.

bullrunmotor · 03-23-2016, 09:05 PM

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Do those heads have FO or FA stamped on them?

Vanspeed · 03-23-2016, 09:38 PM

The Weiand cheater heads copy the Canadian heads as far as appearance goes.

Bored&Stroked · 03-24-2016, 08:45 AM

I think the price is fair - I've seen them on 'the bay' for around $750 or so. They look to be in good condition.

jetmek · 03-24-2016, 10:08 PM

Holy heck... I must live in the po part o town...1200 for a merc core? jeesh...Those heads are nothing special they do boost compression slightly but for that kinda coin id get new ones ....never paid more than 250-300 for those. I disagree that they are rare...I see them often at swap meets

Brian · 03-25-2016, 12:29 AM

Do those heads have FO or FA stamped on them?

No, they have C7RA 6050 and Made in Canada cast on them

tubman · 03-25-2016, 06:23 AM

Do they have "Weiand" cast on the inside of the water necks?

Vanspeed · 03-25-2016, 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by tubman

Do they have "Weiand" cast on the inside of the water necks?

If you look close you can see that raised Weiand logo on the underside of the neck. I think they are pretty rare, I have never seen a set with my own eyes other than the ones I had. I have seen them for sale but not too many. 200-300 is great if you can find them for that price.

tubman · 03-25-2016, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Vanspeed

If you look close you can see that raised Weiand logo on the underside of the neck. I think they are pretty rare, I have never seen a set with my own eyes other than the ones I had. I have seen them for sale but not too many. 200-300 is great if you can find them for that price.

You either have better eyes than I do or maybe a better monitor. I wish I was closer to Albany; I'd be going to a bunch of swap meets!

jimTN · 03-25-2016, 08:21 AM

$200 is a fair price range. There are those that pay inordinate amounts for period speed equipment. I have a set on my 47 stock Ford and they do make a difference. I bought several sets back in the 60s from Honest Charley to run on my dirt cars. The real Canadian heads appear to be not as thick castings as Weiand. I have a set and the necks are thinner and alum not good stuff, lots of chemical reaction over the years.

Uncle Bob · 03-25-2016, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Brian

Do those heads have FO or FA stamped on them?

No, they have C7RA 6050 and Made in Canada cast on them

Actually they don't say "made in", just Canada......one of the ways to spot them.

Opinions on price are always all over the place, and you never know who's real and who's fantasy on the internet. Condition is everything if you plan to use them, so make sure you figure out whether you're buying something useful or art.

41Joe · 03-25-2016, 09:54 AM

So what is the difference between the Weiand heads and the Canadian heads? Besides manufacturer...

V8COOPMAN · 03-25-2016, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by tubman

Do they have "Weiand" cast on the inside of the water necks?

I can see the raised, rectangular shape (which contains the word "WEIAND") right in the center of the head, just above the center-most, upper hole. DD

JSeery · 03-25-2016, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by 41Joe

So what is the difference between the Weiand heads and the Canadian heads? Besides manufacturer...

Compression ratio mainly.

Vanspeed · 03-25-2016, 10:03 AM

Yes compression ratio is a lot higher.

russcc · 03-25-2016, 05:39 PM

How do they compare to a set or original Navarros with a 8.75:1 ratio ?

03-23-2016, 03:28 PM	#2
19Fordy Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Coral Springs FL Posts: 10,936	Re: Weiand Cheater Heads Seems like a lot of money for a set of heads whose condition and history are unknown. Buy new heads to be sure of what you are getting.

03-23-2016, 03:52 PM	#3
scooder Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 2,593	Re: Weiand Cheater Heads Would they work ok on a stock engine with stock cam? Hell yea! They are very cool, if I had em I'd run em. If there in usable condition of course. And that is they difference between good parts and good wall decorations. You'd need to get up close and personal with them to really see. I've used Ford aluminium heads that look worse than those appear in the pic, and they worked fine. Only pulled them off to fit Navarro heads. But it's a small pic. They need to be under your nose to judge. If there ok for use, are they worth the money? How much money did all the other wieand cheater heads you've seen go for? It's your money, only you know the answer. They don't appear to have been cut a lot, that's a plus. Martin. Last edited by scooder; 03-23-2016 at 03:58 PM.

03-23-2016, 04:14 PM	#4
Vanspeed Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Suttons Bay, Mich. Posts: 3,384	Re: Weiand Cheater Heads I had a pair on a warmed up 59A, loved them. They were never admitted by Weiand as ever being made. They bring good money now. The price is very fair. __________________ *Respecting and Resurrecting Ford Model A's.*

03-23-2016, 04:31 PM	#5
41Joe Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Huntington Beach, CA Posts: 284	Re: Weiand Cheater Heads Thanks for all the information. I know they are rare, another reason why I want them. Hopefully they are still available when I have a chance to see them.

03-23-2016, 09:05 PM	#6
bullrunmotor Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Virginia Posts: 210	Re: Weiand Cheater Heads Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Do those heads have FO or FA stamped on them?

03-23-2016, 09:38 PM	#7
Vanspeed Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Suttons Bay, Mich. Posts: 3,384	Re: Weiand Cheater Heads The Weiand cheater heads copy the Canadian heads as far as appearance goes. __________________ *Respecting and Resurrecting Ford Model A's.*

03-24-2016, 08:45 AM	#8
Bored&Stroked Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Central Ohio Posts: 5,064	Re: Weiand Cheater Heads I think the price is fair - I've seen them on 'the bay' for around $750 or so. They look to be in good condition.

03-24-2016, 10:08 PM	#9
jetmek Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: albany Posts: 465	Re: Weiand Cheater Heads Holy heck... I must live in the po part o town...1200 for a merc core? jeesh...Those heads are nothing special they do boost compression slightly but for that kinda coin id get new ones ....never paid more than 250-300 for those. I disagree that they are rare...I see them often at swap meets __________________ engine and component overhauls my specialty! Website- www.godevilgarage.com

03-25-2016, 12:29 AM	#10
Brian Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Masterton, New Zealand Posts: 3,834	Re: Weiand Cheater Heads Do those heads have FO or FA stamped on them? No, they have C7RA 6050 and Made in Canada cast on them __________________ Unfortunately, two half wits don't make a whole wit!

03-25-2016, 06:23 AM	#11
tubman Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Minnesota, Florida Keys Posts: 10,312	Re: Weiand Cheater Heads Do they have "Weiand" cast on the inside of the water necks?

03-25-2016, 08:21 AM	#14
jimTN Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Powell, TN Posts: 2,509	Re: Weiand Cheater Heads $200 is a fair price range. There are those that pay inordinate amounts for period speed equipment. I have a set on my 47 stock Ford and they do make a difference. I bought several sets back in the 60s from Honest Charley to run on my dirt cars. The real Canadian heads appear to be not as thick castings as Weiand. I have a set and the necks are thinner and alum not good stuff, lots of chemical reaction over the years.

03-25-2016, 09:54 AM	#16
41Joe Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Huntington Beach, CA Posts: 284	Re: Weiand Cheater Heads So what is the difference between the Weiand heads and the Canadian heads? Besides manufacturer...

03-25-2016, 10:03 AM	#19
Vanspeed Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Suttons Bay, Mich. Posts: 3,384	Re: Weiand Cheater Heads Yes compression ratio is a lot higher. __________________ *Respecting and Resurrecting Ford Model A's.*

03-25-2016, 05:39 PM	#20
russcc Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 2,871	Re: Weiand Cheater Heads How do they compare to a set or original Navarros with a 8.75:1 ratio ?