Speedometer face plates 1940-1946

[Zeke3]

Originally Posted by scooder

But mines got shift points on it, but 100 mph?

Are you sure that is not a 100 kph speedometer?

[htc]

Originally Posted by fordyford

You have a very uncommon cluster, 100 MPH and shift points?

Hello

I do have a speedometer like that also with 100 max. and shiftpoints.
It proved to be a KPH (Kilometers per hour) speedometer, 60 MPH being around 100 KMH.

There was a KPH indication under the pointer.
I did start a discussion on it and you can find a picture of it:

https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=323053

It is a Waltham speedometer, whereas this one is a Stewart Warner.

I do see that there is a yellow spot under the pointer. I would not be surprised therefor that it is a KPH faceplate with the KPH indication removed.
To know whether the speedometer is KM or Miles, one has to look at the gears (ref. the discussion on KPH speedometer referenced above).

Originally Posted by fordyford

What does the back of the ammeter look like, screw terminals or induction loop?

It is indeed an AMP meter that has the 1940 style. I have never seen one like that. 1940 had BATT gauges (with screw terminals).
This one is AMP and it should have an induction loop to make it work, not screw terminals.

Greetings
Hans

[Fritz]

Hans, you also have a 1940 style ammeter? From what country did you find these clusters?

[htc]

Hello Fritz,

No I do not have that 1940 style AMP meter. The cluster had a 1941-1946 style AMP meter. The rest is 1940 style. I am replacing the 1941-1946 AMP with a 1940 BATT gauge.

The 1940 style AMP is probably something late 1940 early 1941, just before they decided that AMP gauges are the better choice and before they switched to the 1941-1946 style.

I think that that 1940 AMP gauge is quite rare. I would like to have a better picture, also from the type number on the bottom so that I can make the decal.

Greetings
Hans

[htc]

Originally Posted by scooder

Try again
Attachment 509692

Attachment 509693

There they are.
Martin.

Hello Scooder,

Is it possible you make a picture of the AMP meter outside the casing?
Like this:



or you can send one to me PM?

Thanks
Hans

[htc]

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Hello

To make the contents of this thread more complete I add the picture of a 100 mph Waltham face plate:



I still hope to receive a good picture of the 1940 style AMP gauge. Please...

Greetings
Hans

[scooder]

Right guys,
Sorry for delay, I completely forgot about this thread. (CRS syndrome)😁.
This odd guage cluster, someone asked whether it maybe a KPH speedometer. I'd never think about this in the past but he's bang on. Just converted the speeds on mine from MPH to KPH and the shift indications convert straight over give or take a decimal point or two.
6 MPH = 10 KPH
12 MPH = 20 KPH
26 MPH = 42 KPH.
So that's that answer.
There is a paint blob under the needle which I can't see through, what's the betting it says KPH.
The surround is/was chrom
below is a pic of the Stewart Warner part #
The Amp guage,
Below is a pic of it removed, as you can see, it don't say amp or have the border. Just the essential stuff, numbers n lines.
It is an inductive loop not screw terminals.
And it's brass, the face and the back are brass, unlike the others I've had or seen.
Hope that's answered your questions.
Martin.

[scooder]

Hans,
If you need a better pic I'll sort it out for you.
Martin.

[petehoovie]

Originally Posted by scooder

Right guys,
Sorry for delay, I completely forgot about this thread. (CRS syndrome)��.
This odd guage cluster, someone asked whether it maybe a KPH speedometer. I'd never think about this in the past but he's bang on. Just converted the speeds on mine from MPH to KPH and the shift indications convert straight over give or take a decimal point or two.
6 MPH = 10 KPH
12 MPH = 20 KPH
26 MPH = 42 KPH.
So that's that answer.
There is a paint blob under the needle which I can't see through, what's the betting it says KPH.
The surround is/was chrom
below is a pic of the Stewart Warner part #
The Amp guage,
Below is a pic of it removed, as you can see, it don't say amp or have the border. Just the essential stuff, numbers n lines.
It is an inductive loop not screw terminals.
And it's brass, the face and the back are brass, unlike the others I've had or seen.
Hope that's answered your questions.
Martin.

[GB SISSON]

Yes, my tonners have 60 mph with shift points. They all have 4 speeds. Not sure when the HD truck 3 speed came out.

[htc]

Hello Scooder

Thank you very much for this. It has been a while and I lost track of the posts. Sorry.
Luckily you did send me the PM so I found your pictures and comments.

The AMP gauge face plates are brass. That is normal because the way a AMP meter works is that the magnetic field created by the current in the wire that goes through he inductive loop makes the pointer go one way or another (the pointer is sitting in a magnetic base).
If the plate would be steel like the other gauges this would impact the magnetic forces.

Your speedometer is made in March 1941 by the way.


Greetings
Hans

[htc]

Hello,

I started this thread long time ago and I posted some pictures of faceplates.
Today I add a face plate that was not in the collection yet.
It is a 60 mph 1940 faceplate for Waltham speedometer.



It is for a 4-speed truck as you can see.

Greetings
Hans

[19Fordy]

htc: Your gauge cluster decals are really beautiful. Thanks for your dedication for accuracy and attention to detail.

[Newc]

Those guages were used in Canadian Military trucks thru '42, before the military type was adapted. My CMP '42 uses a civilian type truck gage. Newc

[htc]

Originally Posted by 19Fordy

htc: Your gauge cluster decals are really beautiful. Thanks for your dedication for accuracy and attention to detail.

Thank you 19Fordy,

I use Coreldraw (a 30 USD/month software) to trace the latest detail. I think I am a little autistic
Anyway, the biggest challenge is not the tracing. That is just a matter of time and attention to detail. The biggest challenge is the printing and the quality of the decal material. The colors are never what you want, not only because of the printer but also because of the decal material. Also, what is the right color. Who knows? Yes, one can use the NOS stuff that is still around but there also colors can have faded. It takes literally dozens of trials to get it somewhat right. And if you get it right the decal has to be fixed with clear coat varnish. Too much is not good, to little is not good and so on..
It is that undefined upfront that I do not dare to sell the decals, not wanting to buyer to not be satisfied.

(EDIT: The following is for FordyFord which I mixed up with 19Fordy. Sorry)

This being said, your information has also been valuable to me. I did start these restorations, not really knowing what for I was restoring. Thanks to you I know.
I did about 40 clusters with the gauges up to now, not only for Ford trucks and Ford GP's but also for CMP's and armored cars.

This picture is what I see sitting next to me here in my office:



Just one thing I want to add to this and that might be new info, even for you

Recently I did restore two Stewart Warner based clusters. Both had the, what we call, 1941 and later design faceplate (not the curly characters).
BUT as you know the Stewart Warner speedometers have the manufacturing date printed on the back and in these two cases they were H11 and H12. This means that the 1941 design faceplates were already manufactured in late 1940.
So a late 1940 Ford Truck can have the 1941 design.

For what it is worth.

Greetings
Hans

[htc]

Originally Posted by Newc

Those guages were used in Canadian Military trucks thru '42, before the military type was adapted. My CMP '42 uses a civilian type truck gage. Newc

Yes, you are correct.
As you will know from 19Fordy, in Ford Trucks the BATT gauges was replaced starting 1941 (end of 1940?) with an AMP gauge. In he CMP however this was not the case.
The CMP clusters continued to use the BATT gauge until the clusters were changed in what you call the military type (round gauges and speedometers).
This changeover (to round separate gauges ) took place in 1943 however (I think ...).

The pictures show a 1942 cluster for CMP (restored by me). Note the BATT gauge and the Tacoma Cream bezel.







Greetings
Hans

[GB SISSON]

Originally Posted by pistonbroke

I here you say four speed truck but are you sure you don't mean 1.5 ton and up? My half tons were four speeds and all had 100 mph and no shift indicator markings. GB. does your tonner pickup have the 60 MPH with the shift indicator marks? Just asking , never to old to learn, Tim

I had a '47 tonner panel and currently have 3 tonner pickups, one of which is a parts truck. A '46 and 2 '47s. All four have the T9 4 speed and the 60 mph speedometer face with shift points.

[htc]

Originally Posted by GB SISSON

I had a '47 tonner panel and currently have 3 tonner pickups, one of which is a parts truck. A '46 and 2 '47s. All four have the T9 4 speed and the 60 mph speedometer face with shift points.

Do they have a 0-50-80 oil gauge and a Tacoma Cream bezel?
Gr
Hans


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