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George/Maine · 06-13-2018, 06:05 PM

If you have 12 volts ign. I guess you have a kit to loose the ford coil that was mounted on dist. or like 46 later two wires and spark wire down to coil.

I don,t care for the different colors black is find for me.
When you are ready to try something new, get a IC 17coil,ICR 23 Resister.
When you shut off don't pump gas when starting.

Tinker · 06-13-2018, 09:47 PM

It's 12v volts if he has a "blue" vw/bosch coil. Condenser maybe it.

I'm assuming it's also running a electric fuel pump and all the other fixes.

What temp you running?

What's your compression? 2x2 don't need much...but what condition is your condition...man

flatjack9 · 06-13-2018, 09:56 PM

I can't see where he has ever said whether he has 6 or 12volts.

Tinker · 06-13-2018, 10:04 PM

He didn't. Blue coil thing I assume. Ya can never tell now here, guess away.

LQQKER · 06-14-2018, 07:43 AM

12v... my oversight.

George/Maine · 06-14-2018, 09:39 AM

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I think your idea to put a solenoid and do away with floor switch.
I would also use a key switch start and run.
The key switch is good, when you go to start its shuts off all acc.
Cuts power to fuel pump, radio, gps, ect.
So all power is to ign and starter.
They sell general purpose switches, start, ign, acc, hide it if you don,t like it.
In around 1951 ford went to the key switch.

Russ/40 · 06-14-2018, 12:39 PM

I'd try running a second ground to the starter. The stock wiring does not allow for full voltage to ignition on start. The starter nay be pulling voltage below ignition needs.

LQQKER · 06-14-2018, 03:08 PM

The 12V battery is grounded to the body. Using the same grounding fastener the body is grounded to the frame. Im using a T5 trans with a grounding strap from it to the chassis.....still think a ground from starter to chassis will help. Guess it can't hurt. Thanks

Deuce Man · 06-14-2018, 04:25 PM

Try a manual toggle switch to bypass the resistor when starting. Rich

George/Maine · 06-14-2018, 06:04 PM

I was reading that the blue coil doesn't need a resister so try with out it If that doesn't work go to nada and get a ic12 or 13 and use the resister you have.

JSeery · 06-15-2018, 09:57 AM

As has been stated several times now, the Bosch Blue Coil DOES NOT use a ballast resistor!!!

LQQKER · 06-16-2018, 01:10 PM

Bought a Napa ST56 starter solenoid and a Echlin IC14 coil as a spare. The contacts in the foot switch were heavily worn and "blackened"...I think this might have been drawing too much amperage, causing the hard restarts. Opinions ??

The ST56 and toggle switch I installed work great. I went against my better judgement of changing more than one thing at a time but I removed the ballast resistor and installed the new coil with the internal resistor. It was hot, humid and the tools were out so ....!

The "old" coil, very little use though, was a matte blue from Bubba.... not a bosch... no name on the coil just #0814# on bottom.

Motor started right up as usual. After a little drive in the Florida heat I turned off the motor and it immediately restarted. Let it sit 15 mins, about 200 Deg, and it started but took a few cranks.....livable !

Was it the foot switch or coil or a little of each.....not sure. Hope this problem is solved.

Thanks for the interest and feedback.

06-13-2018, 06:05 PM	#21
George/Maine Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mid coast Maine Posts: 1,878	Re: 59ab hard start when hot If you have 12 volts ign. I guess you have a kit to loose the ford coil that was mounted on dist. or like 46 later two wires and spark wire down to coil. I don,t care for the different colors black is find for me. When you are ready to try something new, get a IC 17coil,ICR 23 Resister. When you shut off don't pump gas when starting.

06-13-2018, 09:47 PM	#22
Tinker Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: MN Posts: 7,053	Re: 59ab hard start when hot It's 12v volts if he has a "blue" vw/bosch coil. Condenser maybe it. I'm assuming it's also running a electric fuel pump and all the other fixes. What temp you running? What's your compression? 2x2 don't need much...but what condition is your condition...man

06-13-2018, 09:56 PM	#23
flatjack9 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Oshkosh, Wi Posts: 4,526	Re: 59ab hard start when hot I can't see where he has ever said whether he has 6 or 12volts.

06-13-2018, 10:04 PM	#24
Tinker Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: MN Posts: 7,053	Re: 59ab hard start when hot He didn't. Blue coil thing I assume. Ya can never tell now here, guess away.

06-14-2018, 07:43 AM	#25
LQQKER Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Sarasota Fl area Posts: 86	Re: 59ab hard start when hot 12v... my oversight.

06-14-2018, 09:39 AM	#26
George/Maine Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mid coast Maine Posts: 1,878	Re: 59ab hard start when hot Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) I think your idea to put a solenoid and do away with floor switch. I would also use a key switch start and run. The key switch is good, when you go to start its shuts off all acc. Cuts power to fuel pump, radio, gps, ect. So all power is to ign and starter. They sell general purpose switches, start, ign, acc, hide it if you don,t like it. In around 1951 ford went to the key switch.

06-14-2018, 12:39 PM	#27
Russ/40 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Santee, California Posts: 3,505	Re: 59ab hard start when hot I'd try running a second ground to the starter. The stock wiring does not allow for full voltage to ignition on start. The starter nay be pulling voltage below ignition needs.

06-14-2018, 03:08 PM	#28
LQQKER Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Sarasota Fl area Posts: 86	Re: 59ab hard start when hot The 12V battery is grounded to the body. Using the same grounding fastener the body is grounded to the frame. Im using a T5 trans with a grounding strap from it to the chassis.....still think a ground from starter to chassis will help. Guess it can't hurt. Thanks

06-14-2018, 04:25 PM	#29
Deuce Man Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Palm City FL> Posts: 556	Re: 59ab hard start when hot Try a manual toggle switch to bypass the resistor when starting. Rich

06-14-2018, 06:04 PM	#30
George/Maine Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mid coast Maine Posts: 1,878	Re: 59ab hard start when hot I was reading that the blue coil doesn't need a resister so try with out it If that doesn't work go to nada and get a ic12 or 13 and use the resister you have.

06-16-2018, 01:10 PM	#32
LQQKER Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Sarasota Fl area Posts: 86	Re: 59ab hard start when hot Bought a Napa ST56 starter solenoid and a Echlin IC14 coil as a spare. The contacts in the foot switch were heavily worn and "blackened"...I think this might have been drawing too much amperage, causing the hard restarts. Opinions ?? The ST56 and toggle switch I installed work great. I went against my better judgement of changing more than one thing at a time but I removed the ballast resistor and installed the new coil with the internal resistor. It was hot, humid and the tools were out so ....! The "old" coil, very little use though, was a matte blue from Bubba.... not a bosch... no name on the coil just #0814# on bottom. Motor started right up as usual. After a little drive in the Florida heat I turned off the motor and it immediately restarted. Let it sit 15 mins, about 200 Deg, and it started but took a few cranks.....livable ! Was it the foot switch or coil or a little of each.....not sure. Hope this problem is solved. Thanks for the interest and feedback.