The Ford Barn

Cornishman · 09-30-2016, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by tbirdtbird

"authoritive"

hmmmm....universally acknowledged with pedigree to match or self-proclaimed

It's people on your side of the Atlantic that claimed that it is the Bible for Model A owners. The post that I was questioning didn't say that 20 pounds was incorrect, they implied that there was no need for a torque wrench to achieve that figure. Not everyone who follows 'the book' will have the experience or confidence to guess.

Dick Steinkamp · 09-30-2016, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Mitch//pa

Dick Steinkamp::
T-bird was quoting someone else

Yep...I saw the quotes.

I met Dave initially at the Studebaker forum. I know him to be helpful there as well as here to answer questions and to assist in solving problems. Not one who would require full knowledge of the care and feeding of a Model A as a prerequisite to joining the hobby.

lwannem · 09-30-2016, 03:34 PM

I would appreciate a picture of your speedster, beause I to am building one.

30ccpickup · 09-30-2016, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by tbirdtbird

'People should not buy something they have no idea how to work on.'

welcome to the world of model As

Love it! I too took it the wrong way at first. I have said this before, my Mom's favorite quote is "it is difficult until once learned", hopefully one day it will be easy.

32 chevy vett · 09-30-2016, 10:12 PM

I have to agree with COOTER and Dick Steinkamp. I know very little about a model A but I learn fast. The first model T I had I did not have a clue. One year later I had done a ground up restoration on it. And four more after that. Along with a VW bug and a 32Chevy roadster street rod all corvette running gear.

BILL WILLIAMSON · 10-01-2016, 10:29 AM

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I gave my Les Andrews book to a friend. We just use the EXPLODED VIEWS/TIPS/SPECS in the suppliers' CATALOGS.
Bill W.

ian Simpson · 10-01-2016, 09:15 PM

Back in the day I rebuilt several engines before I could afford a torque wrench. All survived for many thousands of miles. Some even survived several seasons of racing. I still look at 'authoritive' torque figures with a jaundiced eye, but consider maximum torque for a given fastener as an upper limit. That being said, I have never put my torque wrench on a wheel stud, and many other fasteners.

I for one, would really like to see a thread on this forum noting errors in so called authoritive manuals, however, given the arguments that break out in this forum about basics I doubt if it would prove successful (consider the question of torqueing heads hot or cold).

Considering the fact that Ford workers may never have used torque wrenches maybe they worked to a similar regimen that I knew when working on the bench. Typically the instructions would state something like - tighten finger tight plus a half turn or shim to a certain clearance and then bolt up tight. Maybe we had a better sense of 'rightness' back in the day.

Finally, I installed new tie rod ends on our Tudor last winter. The supplied locking bolts snapped before the tie rod ends were locked. I think they were Grade -8. I replaced them with Grade 5 bolts which worked just fine.

09-30-2016, 03:34 PM	#23
lwannem Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 106	Re: Les Andrews Book I would appreciate a picture of your speedster, beause I to am building one.

09-30-2016, 10:12 PM	#25
32 chevy vett Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Ashby, Mass. Posts: 250	Re: Les Andrews Book I have to agree with COOTER and Dick Steinkamp. I know very little about a model A but I learn fast. The first model T I had I did not have a clue. One year later I had done a ground up restoration on it. And four more after that. Along with a VW bug and a 32Chevy roadster street rod all corvette running gear.

10-01-2016, 10:29 AM	#26
BILL WILLIAMSON Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: FRESNO, CA Posts: 12,560	Re: Les Andrews Book Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) I gave my Les Andrews book to a friend. We just use the EXPLODED VIEWS/TIPS/SPECS in the suppliers' CATALOGS. Bill W. __________________ "THE ASSISTANT GURU OF STUFF"

10-01-2016, 09:15 PM	#27
ian Simpson Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 709	Re: Les Andrews Book Back in the day I rebuilt several engines before I could afford a torque wrench. All survived for many thousands of miles. Some even survived several seasons of racing. I still look at 'authoritive' torque figures with a jaundiced eye, but consider maximum torque for a given fastener as an upper limit. That being said, I have never put my torque wrench on a wheel stud, and many other fasteners. I for one, would really like to see a thread on this forum noting errors in so called authoritive manuals, however, given the arguments that break out in this forum about basics I doubt if it would prove successful (consider the question of torqueing heads hot or cold). Considering the fact that Ford workers may never have used torque wrenches maybe they worked to a similar regimen that I knew when working on the bench. Typically the instructions would state something like - tighten finger tight plus a half turn or shim to a certain clearance and then bolt up tight. Maybe we had a better sense of 'rightness' back in the day. Finally, I installed new tie rod ends on our Tudor last winter. The supplied locking bolts snapped before the tie rod ends were locked. I think they were Grade -8. I replaced them with Grade 5 bolts which worked just fine.