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Old 02-16-2018, 05:19 PM   #1
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Ok I know that. All of our cars are different, I get it.

Up here in New England it may be couple weeks before I take my car out for drive.

When I do, I pump the accelerator few times and turn key. Then, I need to shut off and crank numous times before it with start. It always will start but..grrr What do You guys do?

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- cars are in heated garage set for 45 degrees.
- After it starts (warm) it will start at a push of button and bang on my way
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Electric fuel pump mounted near the fuel tank.
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Electric fuel pump mounted near the fuel tank.
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Gasoline evaporates; if it didn't, none of our cars would run. After sitting all winter it is OK to prime the carbs. I have an old ketchup squirt bottle with gas in it. I fill the float bowls through the vent after they have been sitting for any extended period of time and they start right up. If your cars are in good shape (as the O/P's seem to be), electric fuel pumps are an unnecessary complication. I took mine off 20 years ago and am happy I did.
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Ditto on the electric pump. Also, I put a fuel pressure gauge inside the car.....with an armored line for safety... and don't hit the starter until I see I have pressure at the carb.
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Gasoline evaporates; if it didn't, none of our cars would run. After sitting all winter it is OK to prime the carbs. I have an old ketchup squirt bottle with gas in it. I fill the float bowls through the vent after they have been sitting for any extended period of time and they start right up. If your cars are in good shape (as the O/P's seem to be), electric fuel pumps are an unnecessary complication. I took mine off 20 years ago and am happy I did.
This is exactly what I do and works great.
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Old 02-16-2018, 07:53 PM   #7
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Any time any carb'ed vehicles sit for a time the gas in the carb's goes away. Not unique to early fords. As indicated both methods work. One more technical (electric fuel pump) the other less but works fine ( soft plastic squirt bottle with gas to prime carb's) I use the squirt bottle method on bot my '35 and my '67 442 after not running for extended periods.
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When my 40 sits for a week or two I remove the gas cap and blow in the tank to push fuel to the carb for quick start to prevent grinding on the starter.
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When my 40 sits for a week or two I remove the gas cap and blow in the tank to push fuel to the carb for quick start to prevent grinding on the starter.
I like this method Ken!
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Tubman,
Can you further explain putting gas 'thru the vent' with the squirt bottle? I don't think you mean down the throat. Inquiring minds need a refresher on the vent.
Ken, how about an old gas cap with a hole in it and blow (very low preessure) air in from the compressor? 'Course this isn't a problem with my '23 Model T, Grandad Gravity does the work.
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Can you further explain putting gas 'thru the vent' with the squirt bottle? I don't think you mean down the throat. Inquiring minds need a refresher on the vent.
Ken, how about an old gas cap with a hole in it and blow (very low preessure) air in from the compressor? 'Course this isn't a problem with my '23 Model T, Grandad Gravity does the work.
Blowing compressed air into a fuel tank can be problematic, I wouldn't suggest that.
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Can you further explain putting gas 'thru the vent' with the squirt bottle? I don't think you mean down the throat. Inquiring minds need a refresher on the vent.
Ken, how about an old gas cap with a hole in it and blow (very low preessure) air in from the compressor? 'Course this isn't a problem with my '23 Model T, Grandad Gravity does the work.
HDowse...Most carburetors have a small (approx. 1/4" diameter) piece of round tubing sticking up, usually in the throat area of the carburetor. This tube is a vent for the internal fuel bowl. It aims directly into where you want fuel to go. DD
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"V8COOPMAN" said it as well as I could have.
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Thanks for the explanation on the vent. I'll use that technique instead of blowing up the tank or hoses with compressed air.
BTW, V8Coopman, tell us about your avatar pic. Close piloting, eh?
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I totally agree with JSeery.. I have a Electric pumps to prime the carbs on my 35 truck and 40 Sedan.
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Ok I know that. All of our cars are different, I get it.

Up here in New England it may be couple weeks before I take my car out for drive.

When I do, I pump the accelerator few times and turn key. Then, I need to shut off and crank numous times before it with start. It always will start but..grrr What do You guys do?

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- cars are in heated garage set for 45 degrees.
- After it starts (warm) it will start at a push of button and bang on my way
The only thing I do on my 35 fordor, in addition to what you mention, is pull the choke all the way out until the engine initially fires. Then I give the accelerator 4 or 5 pumps, push choke in about half way and hit starter again, and when she fires again, I work the accelerator a bit to keep it running and push the choke back in. I don't prime the carb nor do I have an electric fuel pump in place. I do have an Optima 6V Red Top battery that spins the engine almost like it's 12V. I do carry an electric pump in with my spare parts just as a back up to my mechanical pumps
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Thanks for the explanation on the vent. I'll use that technique instead of blowing up the tank or hoses with compressed air.
BTW, V8Coopman, tell us about your avatar pic. Close piloting, eh?
HDowse.....I answered your question and posted a LARGE picture in the other thread where you asked about my avatar..."MOUNTING A FLATHEAD ON A PALLET", post #6. Go read it and tell me what you think. DD
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Old 02-17-2018, 09:49 AM   #18
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I put one of Robert Shuman's fuel hoses with the back-flow valve on my '37. It has really worked well for me.
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On cars with fuel pumps with glass sediment bowls at least, the "back flow" hoses are some times made necessary because there is a miniscule air leak at the sediment bowl; not enough to have any effect on the way the car runs, but it makes them hard to start after sitting a few days. I found I had this problem after I had chased the symptoms for several years. A close inspection of the sediment bowl showed irregularities and "roughness" on the sealing lip. I smoothed the lip on my surface plate (a 12" square of 2" thick granite ground flat and polished) using "Wet-or-Dry" sandpaper and installed a new gasket and the problem was solved. I have also found that, for some reason, cork bowl gaskets seal better than neoprene ones.

Over the years, I have found that these small leaks (like this one and defective power valves) can cause hard-starting problems in cars that run perfectly otherwise.
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if you want to put gas in the carb vent, i use the cap off a 90wt bottle, its like a little funnel and will screw on an empty quart oil bottle, and fits in the 1/4" vent tube. yes, you will spill a bit into the carb, just figure that same as pumping the throttle
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