The Ford Barn

Jemelton# · 01-31-2016, 03:46 PM

Well Lucy, what have you done now!!

While attempting to install new shackle bushings into the front perch, using a Universal Bushing Installation & Removal Tool (in other words, a big punch).

I have proceeded to get the installation tool stuck in the perch assembly. I kind of thought that it was getting a bit harder to drive the tool during the last quarter of inch or so, but a few harder hits with the 5lb hammer did the trick, and it seated the bushing.

Now then the fun begins; I cannot get the s.o.b. tool out! This morning while attempting to drive the tool out from the front, the punch moved and I proceeded to hit my left wrist with the hammer and that caused me to leave my blood and other assorted bits of DNA all over the garage floor.

Also with a few choice oaths and assorted bad words, my wife who is a RN, heard the uproar and without a word just you know, giving me the “LOOK”, decided that I needed to get an X-Ray, and perhaps a stitch or two where the hammer split the skin open, hauled me to the 24Hr clinic, where we discovered that nothing was broken, (other than my pride)!

Now then, I sit here typing with one finger with an ice bag on my wrist wondering what my next step in resolving this dilemma is.

Any suggestions would be most appreciated.
The attached photos detail my issue. Thanks to all.
Jim

Vin-tin · 01-31-2016, 03:55 PM

You could try a bit of heat on the area around the bushing. It might expand it enough to let you drive the tool out. Go easy and be careful

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Mitch//pa · 01-31-2016, 04:04 PM

Sorry to hear of your misfortune. After you beat your driver out most likely you will ruin the bushing order one of these from Brattons. They remove and install the bushings perfectly and only cost 9.50...feel better soon....

daveymc29 · 01-31-2016, 04:15 PM

You may be able to grip the knurled end of your punch with an old pipe wrench. I say old because I have broken the jaws on new ones, so now I buy old ones when I find them, if the teeth on the jaw re still salvageable.

Larry Jenkins · 01-31-2016, 08:36 PM

When I made my bushing driver, I only made the small diameter 1/2" long and 0.005 undersize just for that possibility. The major diameter must be undersize too to prevent "sticking."

Larry

noboD · 01-31-2016, 08:44 PM

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take the piece off and put it in either a vice or press and PUSH it out, not beat it out.

Model A Man · 01-31-2016, 08:59 PM

I installed mine using all thread washers and nuts. It is like pressing them in

Synchro909 · 01-31-2016, 09:12 PM

Congrats, you were at least able to take and post a picture with one mangled hand.

Loks like you will have time to consider which of these suggestions you take up.

Dennis Pereira · 01-31-2016, 09:26 PM

While your at it looks like your spring needs rebuilding .

Dodge · 01-31-2016, 09:43 PM

Buy another car....or heal up and have a beer or two and go after it with some heat and I would try an air hammer with a big punch on it.

marc silva · 01-31-2016, 09:52 PM

Knock it back out. If it screws up the bushing in the process so be it. Put in another...they're cheap.That's how you learn and how the advice from others on this forum comes to be. By peoples experiences and mistakes and we all make them. Do what the model a man suggests. All thread and nuts and washers to pull it into the perch. It's a lot more controllable than beating it in. Put a little oil on both parts before you install so it is not a dry fit. Not that big of a deal. You can do it !!

Marc

tbirdtbird · 01-31-2016, 10:24 PM

whaling on parts often has unintended consequences good luck

Al 29Tudor · 02-01-2016, 08:36 AM

Like #4 said try to turn it with a pipe wrench but have a friend use a punch from the front at the same time you are turning it.

C26Pinelake · 02-01-2016, 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by noboD

take the piece off and put it in either a vice or press and PUSH it out, not beat it out.

Great advice for better control! Wayne

jimalabam · 02-01-2016, 08:49 AM

Well, you did what we all have done at one time or another. Some of the above replys are worth considering. Lesson learned the hard way, right tool for the right job. Yes better order some new bushings also. This was not a job for a bigger hammer. Good luck and mend that hand.

Farrell In Vancouver · 02-01-2016, 09:47 AM

Do you own a compressor? I'd try an air hammer on it.

bobpo1 · 02-01-2016, 02:02 PM

So you got the LOOK, huh ?!? Hand a 3# hammer and have your wife do it, nice and easy like. By the way, when you mention this to her, you're going to get the LOOK again.... LOL

Brentwood Bob · 02-01-2016, 02:15 PM

The black bird look is painful.
In my case, I think it is from the spanish genes, or not.
Try a brass punch to drive out the wedged driver to avoid mushrooming the small end.
I like #4's pipe wrench approach, but you might need a second helper.
Bob

Big hammer · 02-01-2016, 06:37 PM

You may have gotten the "Look" but she helped you, thank her and when your healed
use the thread all trick, fine threads turns easily than course threads. Let us know
how things turn out!

Pete · 02-01-2016, 06:55 PM

I must be missing something.....
I would try the obviously obvious by driving it out from the other end with a smaller diameter punch.

Oh, and it is amazing at how many times something can be posted on the pertinent forums before it sinks in.
If you are not restoring to judging standards, USE DELRIN OR URETHANE BUSHINGS! They go in and out with hand pressure.
They will generally outlast the car also.

To get the old one out, split it with a cape chisel or coping saw blade. You can then push it out with your finger.

01-31-2016, 03:55 PM	#2
Vin-tin Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Eastern Pa. Posts: 543	Re: 1929 Tudor Boneheaded Mistake!! You could try a bit of heat on the area around the bushing. It might expand it enough to let you drive the tool out. Go easy and be careful. __________________ 1929 Coupe 1930 Coupe 1935 Ford 5 window coupe

01-31-2016, 08:36 PM	#5
Larry Jenkins BANNED Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: East Central Iowa Posts: 1,275	Re: 1929 Tudor Boneheaded Mistake!! When I made my bushing driver, I only made the small diameter 1/2" long and 0.005 undersize just for that possibility. The major diameter must be undersize too to prevent "sticking." Larry __________________ Good enough.. Isn't.

01-31-2016, 08:44 PM	#6
noboD Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 319	Re: 1929 Tudor Boneheaded Mistake!! Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) take the piece off and put it in either a vice or press and PUSH it out, not beat it out.

01-31-2016, 08:59 PM	#7
Model A Man Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Sarasota Florida Posts: 604	Re: 1929 Tudor Boneheaded Mistake!! I installed mine using all thread washers and nuts. It is like pressing them in

01-31-2016, 09:12 PM	#8
Synchro909 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 7,496	Re: 1929 Tudor Boneheaded Mistake!! Congrats, you were at least able to take and post a picture with one mangled hand. Loks like you will have time to consider which of these suggestions you take up. __________________ I'm part of the only ever generation with an analogue childhood and a digital adulthood.

01-31-2016, 04:15 PM	#4
daveymc29 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Danville, CA Posts: 1,554	Re: 1929 Tudor Boneheaded Mistake!! You may be able to grip the knurled end of your punch with an old pipe wrench. I say old because I have broken the jaws on new ones, so now I buy old ones when I find them, if the teeth on the jaw re still salvageable.

01-31-2016, 09:26 PM	#9
Dennis Pereira Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Georgetown Divide Kelsey ca Posts: 868	Re: 1929 Tudor Boneheaded Mistake!! While your at it looks like your spring needs rebuilding . __________________ Dennis in Kelsey ca

01-31-2016, 09:43 PM	#10
Dodge Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Sonoma, CA. Posts: 1,496	Re: 1929 Tudor Boneheaded Mistake!! Buy another car....or heal up and have a beer or two and go after it with some heat and I would try an air hammer with a big punch on it.

01-31-2016, 09:52 PM	#11
marc silva Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: santa rosa ca Posts: 257	Re: 1929 Tudor Boneheaded Mistake!! Knock it back out. If it screws up the bushing in the process so be it. Put in another...they're cheap.That's how you learn and how the advice from others on this forum comes to be. By peoples experiences and mistakes and we all make them. Do what the model a man suggests. All thread and nuts and washers to pull it into the perch. It's a lot more controllable than beating it in. Put a little oil on both parts before you install so it is not a dry fit. Not that big of a deal. You can do it !! Marc

01-31-2016, 10:24 PM	#12
tbirdtbird BANNED Join Date: May 2012 Location: inside your RAM Posts: 3,134	Re: 1929 Tudor Boneheaded Mistake!! whaling on parts often has unintended consequences good luck __________________ '31 180A

02-01-2016, 08:36 AM	#13
Al 29Tudor Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Venice, FL Posts: 648	Re: 1929 Tudor Boneheaded Mistake!! Like #4 said try to turn it with a pipe wrench but have a friend use a punch from the front at the same time you are turning it.

02-01-2016, 08:49 AM	#15
jimalabam Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Lee County Alabama Posts: 828	Re: 1929 Tudor Boneheaded Mistake!! Well, you did what we all have done at one time or another. Some of the above replys are worth considering. Lesson learned the hard way, right tool for the right job. Yes better order some new bushings also. This was not a job for a bigger hammer. Good luck and mend that hand.

02-01-2016, 09:47 AM	#16
Farrell In Vancouver Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Pitt Meadows BC Posts: 1,003	Re: 1929 Tudor Boneheaded Mistake!! Do you own a compressor? I'd try an air hammer on it.

02-01-2016, 02:02 PM	#17
bobpo1 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: NW Ohio Posts: 301	Re: 1929 Tudor Boneheaded Mistake!! So you got the LOOK, huh ?!? Hand a 3# hammer and have your wife do it, nice and easy like. By the way, when you mention this to her, you're going to get the LOOK again.... LOL

02-01-2016, 02:15 PM	#18
Brentwood Bob Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: brentwood, ca Posts: 4,245	Re: 1929 Tudor Boneheaded Mistake!! The black bird look is painful. In my case, I think it is from the spanish genes, or not. Try a brass punch to drive out the wedged driver to avoid mushrooming the small end. I like #4's pipe wrench approach, but you might need a second helper. Bob

02-01-2016, 06:37 PM	#19
Big hammer Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Land of Lincoln Posts: 3,131	Re: 1929 Tudor Boneheaded Mistake!! You may have gotten the "Look" but she helped you, thank her and when your healed use the thread all trick, fine threads turns easily than course threads. Let us know how things turn out!

02-01-2016, 06:55 PM	#20
Pete Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Wa. Posts: 5,408	Re: 1929 Tudor Boneheaded Mistake!! I must be missing something..... I would try the obviously obvious by driving it out from the other end with a smaller diameter punch. Oh, and it is amazing at how many times something can be posted on the pertinent forums before it sinks in. If you are not restoring to judging standards, USE DELRIN OR URETHANE BUSHINGS! They go in and out with hand pressure. They will generally outlast the car also. To get the old one out, split it with a cape chisel or coping saw blade. You can then push it out with your finger.