My new 1939 Sedan Delivery!

[SUHRsc]

Thought you guys might enjoy seeing what we picked up today...
I heard that this 39 Sedan Delivery was listed on Craigslist about a month ago.
I waited a few days before calling as I'm pretty broke... wanted to be sure I could work out buying it if it was nice.
Called and looked at it on a weekday evening... 4 days after seeing the add! 4 days!!! I'm not usually able to have that much restraint... but recently buying a house has given me a different perspective...
Originally the '39 was bought by a laundromat in Sunbury, PA... then sold to the Stahl family to use for their farm's produce deliveries.
In 1948 with just under 62,000 miles. Mr Stahl got married and his new wife wasn't excited about living on the farm. So the Delivery was parked in the shed... where it sat till recently.
The shed roof leaked and rotted off the drivers rain gutter and inturn the whole bottom of the drivers door...
otherwise it has some dings dents and surface rust... but all in all its really solid, especially for PA.
The only thing I could find missing was the rear door lock cylinder...
Before going to look at the '39 I asked my girlfriend what she thought. Her reply "Its no Divco but its pretty nice"... you see.. she LOVES Divco milk trucks...

Well... I get to the guys house to look at the '39... and wouldn't you know... theres a mini Divco sitting in his yard!
Needless to say... I made an offer on both...and we agreed on a price...
A few STRESSFULL weeks of working out a time to meet up to transfer the title.... and now they're home sweet home!











boy this thing is little!!

Sorry for the Chevy truck... had a friend haul these for me...





stuffed in!

[Russ/40]

Man, that's a rare one. Don't think I ever saw a delivery like that.

[roadster36]

That is the most intact sedan delivery I have seen in years are really a special find. Congratulations on a job well done. You must live right. Treat it well.

[ford38v8]

I'm totally blown away with the originality of your find, the legendary way in which you acquired it, and of course the rarity of the car itself. I've never seen a 39 Delivery, either standard or DeLuxe.

Have you made any decisions yet on the Delivery's future?

[ken ct]

Thanks for the wonderful pics,great find.And its nice to find young people in the hobby.Keep um running. ken ct.

[Al NJ]

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Wow. Nice find!

[J.B.]

Looking great, Zach! Congrats!

[1934]

Nice looking ride! Congrats! (You look like a happy guy- I would be too).

[KiWinUS]

Awesome Find !!!!!!1
Enjoy her !!!!!1
Cheers
Tony

[Ken Crans]

True Barn find. I like the Divco.. Are you going to keep the 39 all original or street rod.? Hopefully all original, it will be worth more. Nice.. Ken

[Walt Dupont--Me.]

That is a beauty to rstore. How about a few pic of that roadster in the garage. Walt

[Hoop]

"she LOVES Divco milk trucks..."

The sedan delivery and the Divco are not the only prizes you have.

[39portlander]

Nice pic's of a "survivor" that is the best of both world's, a 39 peekup and sedan front clip Rare and special for sure.

[SUHRsc]

Thank you everyone... I am overly excited!
I had never seen a 39 like this before either... Always had a thought of wanting a 39 standard coupe for a daily driver...and have always loved sedan deliveries in general... so best of both worlds!

My plans are to "mostly" restore it..
It will look totally stock on the outside.. probably the same Jefferson blue.. blackwall 6.00 or 6.50 tires, etc....

But some changes I have in mind are:
- Some sort of a trailer hitch to tow a roadster or racecar.
- Lincoln brakes
- possible some sort of overdrive, (lincoln trans, mitchel or columbia)
- likely build a 100 horse motor for it.. 59ab or earlier merc... possibly with 2 carbs
- probably a 40 sway bar on the front and possibly a panhard bar on the rear

I really would like to use this as a daily driver when the weather suites here in PA... so a few nods towards economy and a drive-ability especially incase I tow a trailer

Nothing will be done to it that couldn't have been done during the time it was originally on the road... so... pre 1948 (aside from the possible mitchel)

I am sure glad I got it before Hershey so I can take a list and hunt down some of the parts I need....
- rear door lock cylinder (same as side doors)
- Drivers door... (same as 4dr)
- rear door lower hinge
- etc....

thanks for all the replies
Zach

[SUHRsc]

Originally Posted by Walt Dupont--Me.

That is a beauty to rstore. How about a few pic of that roadster in the garage. Walt

Walt... I don't want to clutter up the page with "hot rods"
but heres a shot in the garage from a couple weeks ago

Nothin' but flatheads!

[peteyshoes]

really great score!! hard to believe how straight that is. NICE!!!

[joe plumber]

Nice looking vehicle .They are still out there ,just gotta know where to look

[Andyr]

Great story and pictures.........thanks, Andy ('37 sedan delivery)

[Al NJ]

I used to have a '39 Standard Woodie. Be prepared for people thinking it's a '38 DeLuxe. LOL
Any ideas for lettering on it yet?

[oldbugger]

Love your collection and I am enjoing my 35 tshirt. Thanks

[ford38v8]

Zach, For the sake of the historians and future restorations, it would be great if you took closeup pictures of each feature (you've done some), and save examples of those items that will be replaced.

As you wil be modifying it anyway, consider a rear tv camera for visibility. You have no idea of the true definition of "blind spot" is until you drive your Delivery.

[DirtyDan]

Congratulations on the great find. Looks like it will fit right in with the other cars in your stable.

[Lawson Cox]

Super nice find on the sedan delivery. You have some kind of a wife there that lets you have all of those toys. LOL

[Ol' Ron]

I'd build a 276, stock 8ba cam and distributor, milled EAB heads and a 4bl. This combo with a michel will give grea economy and divisibility. I wouldn't use a Lincoln trans, gearing is bad for towing. Think torque.

[19Fordy]

CONGRATULATIONS. I have a feeling that your sedan delivery is pretty rare. Model 91C-82-A is a 1939 panel delivery (with slats) (112" wheelbase.) Model 91C-82-b is listed as 1939 Panel delivery (with masonite) (112" wheelbase). No production numbers available, that I could find.

[1931 flamingo]

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SUUWEEEET!! I like the DIVCO.
Paul in CT

[alanwoodieman]

gee, that is what I have been doing wrong for over 40 years--buy a new "toy" and get one for the better half!! great concept, wish I would have thought of it!!

[35fordtn]

Awesome find!!! lucky all the "hard parts" are there. Finding the rest of the left side stainless may be a bit tough

[Al K.]

Hey, judging from the smile on her face, you one smart dude. Good luck. Al K.

[Chris]

I'm so stoked you got that thing!!!

[59ab]

What a great collection!!!!

[B-O-B]

X2 what all the others have commented
Buy the girl a big ring (not piston) she's definately a keeper

[Henry/Kokomo]

Son, you have one fine car collection! Your lady friend sounds like a definite "keeper" as well. Enjoy all while you can.

[sawzall]

zach


glad you got it!
the teasers you sent didnt show how perfect this thing is..
I love your ideas for modification.. most of which would go totally unnoticed..
didnt realize you needed a lower door hinge..
that will be the tough one?

as for hoops quote.. I've gotta repeat it!

see you at hershey!

Originally Posted by Hoop

"she LOVES Divco milk trucks..."

The sedan delivery and the Divco are not the only prizes you have.

[SUHRsc]

Thank you everyone!
I got it out again today and washed some of the dirt off...
Girlfriend (Heidi) vaccuumed out the whole inside yesterday for me.

Big news is that I got the hood to shut! (and got the Divco running!)
the pass side hinges are bent... i got them close.. but ended up with only one bolted on to keep from bending the hood any worse... I'll fool with it more once i get the hood side off.

ol'ron I was actually thinking about the lincoln trans with 28 or 29 tooth ford gears in it... save the "lincoln gears" for one of my light weight roadsters...
but I'm thinking the actual overdrive unit on the lincoln trans may not be up to the pulling of a trailer? anyone have any experience?

I have all the stainless... only thing actually missing is the rear door lock cylinder, as far as I can tell..

Also, does anyone know whats up with the door handles? why do they spring upward?

Thanks alot for all of the replies everyone!
Zach

[JM 35 Sedan]

Hi Zach, You really scored big time finding that nice rare '39 Sedan Delivery! That nice find probably deserves to be kept as original as possible. Those other cars in your collection look very nice and interesting as well. Now I am a little concerned that I didn't see that '35 5W RS Coupe anywhere in the building

[tiquer]

Man that is sweet, congrates on the find . Totally awsome.

[Fe26]

Originally Posted by ford38v8

Zach, For the sake of the historians and future restorations, it would be great if you took closeup pictures of each feature (you've done some), and save examples of those items that will be replaced.

As you wil be modifying it anyway, consider a rear tv camera for visibility. You have no idea of the true definition of "blind spot" is until you drive your Delivery.

I couldn't agree more regarding the documentation of this quite rare vehicle.

If you aren't already a member of the Early Ford V8 Club perhaps you would like to join (and have the pleasure of seeing the local guys jaws drop). The club is a great fellowship and knowledge base to have available, and to be able to supply a complete set of photos would help others who research and build these wonderful cars, such a gift would be much appreciated by all.

Congratulations.

[SUHRsc]

Thank you, everyone...
I will surely document ever step of the way... I have had a down payment on this thing for a month now... So I've been researching and not finding much of anything...
I want to document all that I can seeing as this car is so original....

I will also save anything and everything that I may swap to be able to put it back to 100% stock in the future if I so desire... most of the changes will just be bolt on anyways...

I wish it was just a little bit nicer condition... I would simply get it running and drive it as-is...mainly all 3 rain gutters the hood and the drivers door need major work....

as to the early ford V8 club... I joined earlier this year...

JM... don't worry... the 35 is safe & sound tucked in the other garage

[Vic Piano]

Outstanding find and a super collection. Vic

[SUHRsc]

Thanks Vic

[Tim Ayers]

Wow. I mean wow. Great score. See you at Hershey.

[SUHRsc]

Thanks Tim... and thanks again for checking on us in the flooding..
See you in a few weeks!

[Tim Ayers]

Yes, sir. Not sure, but it would be really cool to open the hood and see a that old blower sitting on your race car tow rig.

[biggeorge]

Outstanding find!!

[SUHRsc]

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thanks biggeorge

Originally Posted by Tim Ayers

Yes, sir. Not sure, but it would be really cool to open the hood and see a that old blower sitting on your race car tow rig.

Tim,
I have a '37 version... which fits 35/36... generator mounts in the center of the head and won't work with the center water outlet...

Obviously where theres a will theres a way... and its easy enough to make an offset generator bracket... but.... seems I might as well save that for a car with an early 21 stud... (35 coupe maybe )

Zach

[Chris]

I vote Marmon Harrington conversion

[Chris]

Oh, and I just noticed the dipped bumper on the back...how bitchin is that!!!

[Will Kimble]

Really cool Zach, and congrats on the much needed garage space!

[retro54]

Chris.. isn't that bumper cool? makes it easy to get the goods inside with your arms full!

This is just awesome in person.. glad Zach finally has a 'sedan' to follow me down the road in!

Andy

[SUHRsc]

Thanks guys...
Chris... I do really like the back bumper... sure was glad it was intact!

Does anyone have any photos of any other 39's?
I have the one from the book "Classy Ford V8" but not having much luck finding any other original photos... or even photos of any now that are restored...

I noticed tonight that the carb is a little odd for a 39
obviously its easy enough to swap... and with just under 62,000 miles... it surely could have been changed out...

in any case... its a large logo 97 with a traingular base... return spring on the choke and the S/W setting on the throttle shaft...

Seemed like an odd duck?

[Pete/Ct.]

Zach,
I have two stainless steel quarter moldings if you need them. I will be at Hershey,let me know. Pete/Ct.

[OHV DeLuxe]

Really great find Zach! i`m happy for you, and glad you managed to get it.. Love the shape of that rear end. Very cool car.

[Bruce Lancaster]

The Lincoln OD would allow use of real low rear gears with OD for cruising, potentially a great spread of gears, but I think you will find that whoever laid out the protruding pieces like solenoid on the Lincoln hated Fords...I think there will be a bunch of interference points. This might be a place to go to an invisible modern mod and use one of those Mitchells that replaces the torque tube as your OD.

[FL&WVMIKE]

SUHRsc .......................
What a great find of such a rare body ! Congratulations !
The more original, you can keep it, the more interesting it will always be.
Have you considered rubbing down that original paint with GIBBS OIL ?
MIKE

[SUHRsc]

Thanks guys
Bruce, I had the same feelings about the Lincoln... just thats its more period correct... but losing the floor shift takes away from it being a '39, along with cutting the frame...so thats likely out... and I don't have a Columbia...probably wont get any overdrive for a while...always something that can be added later...

as for the paint... I was thinking last night about maybe trying to patch the drivers door and fix the gutters without hurting much and seeing how much I could bring it back as-is... I've never tried Gibbs but hear a lot about it....might be worth a try?
just primer the bare metal spots from patching and rub it all with gibbs?

seems a real shame to redo the interior as its pretty decent for its age... so thats making me think twice about redoing the outside...

Only had it home a few days... so a lot of options

I wish I had a bit more time to get it going and drive it to Hershey... I know I never saw a 39 delivery in person so it might be something people like to see, esepcially in its original condition like this....

Zach

[Django]

Zach, you lucky bastard! You're killing me... wishing it was nicer. I wish my Sedan Delivery was half as nice!!

sent you a pm.

[SUHRsc]

haha... didn't mean that to sound like it does.... I am thrilled with the condition it is in... just half feel like I should restore it... its borderline on leaving it as-is... which I would much rather do... just that the bad areas are really bad...

we'll see

[ford38v8]

Happy day, Zach is coming around! If this car was on an EFV8CA Concourse as-is, assuming it can be made drivable with minimum engine work, it would certainly earn it's Rouge award in all three categories, and wouild have dozens of purists swarming over it during the entire meet. It's even a shame you washed it! Just think, all those original cobwebs lost forever, never to be replaced. So sad.

[SUHRsc]

Originally Posted by ford38v8

It's even a shame you washed it! Just think, all those original cobwebs lost forever, never to be replaced. So sad.

It was a trade off.... cobwebs went with the mouse poop!

[Bruce Lancaster]

With the thing 90% plus solid survivor and the bottom of the door and driprail absolutely shot...I think you could make a pretty good case for fixing those and trying for some fake patina where repaired. You have the metal skills, you and the stripers probably could come up with a painting technique for those areas, then we could erase this thread and pretend it never happened...
The original paneling is amazing.

[Chris]

Originally Posted by SUHRsc

haha... didn't mean that to sound like it does.... I am thrilled with the condition it is in... just half feel like I should restore it... its borderline on leaving it as-is... which I would much rather do... just that the bad areas are really bad...

we'll see

You know what I would do It's only original once!!!

[SUHRsc]

I've only owned it for a couple days now...

At first I was excited... I've never "restored" anything... and this is for sure a good solid foundation to do so...

Sitting in it last night in the garage ... looking at all the interior panels... I turned the windshield crank... and wouldn't you know.. it cranked out...and the cowl vent worked...etc..
I am leaning towards leaving it alone... more or less....

I just want to do it justice...one way or another

[35fordtn]

If you got it running and driving and showed it at a EFV8 national it would win Rouge division for sure...

[SUHRsc]

9 years on the road... 63 years in a shed....put a battery in it....

head lights work - parking lights work - turns over with the starter button ....but..... unfortunately no spark....

good news though... 9/34 rearend!

Let there be light!

[WHITEY]

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That 39 could not have ended up with a better home.

[ford38v8]

Whitey, I beg to differ. It would feel right at home in my garage sitting next to the '38.

[jimTN]

I would recommend going with a (9:34) 3/78 rear gear and 28T trans. You will find that is a good driving range and will get you down the interstate. Go with 6:50 size tires for a little more speed. As for the engine, it should be no problem to make it a 100hp by going to 3 3/16 bore and if desired, go with the 4" crand and and a set of 59AB heads with the 59 and B ground off leaving the A. Most onlookers would believe it is a stock engine. There should be a 39 book in the making at the EV8 Club and I am sure detail pictures of your panel would be valuable for that book. I have a original 39std cpe (with 59AB) if you need any orig item pics. I also have removed the original hood props and springs from my 39 and 37s and use a broom handle, curde but saves the hood, original props are fine for judging.

[Tinker]

Great 39 delivery sedan. Love this picture of it!

Congratulations I think it's a find of a lifetime!

[Mart]

That's a great find and a very cool motor.

Must be the first 39 sedan delivery I've seen, sort of assumed they'd share the 40 body shape, as do the rest of the 39's.

Maybe as a commercial, it was judged ok to stay with the older shape.

Mart.

[ford38v8]

JimTN, The 38'39 Ford book has been out for quite some time now, where've you been hiding?

https://www.earlyfordv8.org/store-pr...cfm?id=9&pid=2

[bbrust]

Zach, I also have a 1939 Sedan Delivery which I bought around 1997. I had great plans to street rod it with a SB Ford and AOD transmission. It is not nearly as nice as yours and the previous owner had made changes that were done without much thought. For instance, at one time, it had a SB Chevy engine and the steering column tube was cut to allow room for the exhaust manifold. The frame was also butchered. The rear suspension was converted to leaf springs and each end was held on by one bolt and a tack weld. I cleaned up and repaired the frame and put in a Mustang II rack & pinion. Replaced the firewall with a set back unit. Decided to put in hidden hinges in the front doors and the rear door. Bought all of the parts but never got around to it. I also have NOS front fenders that I picked up in Ohio.

Over the past 10 years, it's been sitting in my garage waiting for something. I seem to be the only member of my family and friends that likes the looks of it but I do plan on completing it some day.

I guess what I'm saying is - keep it original. If I had made mine original, I'd probably be driving it now.

Please let me know if I can help in any way. I'm also in PA along I-81 so we're not that far apart.

There were a few emails about the neat rear bumper. I had mine replated by Labrandi's in your neck of the woods.
Bob

[SUHRsc]

Thanks everyone...

JimTN... I have the finished book your referring to... they did an excelent job... but it could use a sedan delivery chapter!

bbrust... thanks for the photos!
Your more then welcome to come check out mine if you need any refrence for yours also... and thanks for the offer of help...
Can you tell how the rear door lock cylinder is installed, and works?

Mine just looks like a hole knawled in the wood...
I'm guessing someone broke in by drilling out this cylinder?
The front door handles were bent way up in the air such that maybe someone was trying to pry them open... I got them straightened out... but the missing parts in the back have me a little baffled

kube mentioned that the cylinder should be the same as the front doors and 35fordtn is going to help me out by bringing along a cylinder to Hershey for me... but... just trying to figure out how it actually all goes together...

I have to work on some other projects over the weekend... but hopefully I can atleast get the distributor off and cleaned up... maybe we can make this sucker run!

Zach

[Tim Ayers]

Originally Posted by SUHRsc

I've only owned it for a couple days now...

At first I was excited... I've never "restored" anything... and this is for sure a good solid foundation to do so...

Sitting in it last night in the garage ... looking at all the interior panels... I turned the windshield crank... and wouldn't you know.. it cranked out...and the cowl vent worked...etc..
I am leaning towards leaving it alone... more or less....

I just want to do it justice...one way or another

I think that is your best bet.

[bbrust]

Zach, I took a quick look at my rear door and it does look like the handle and lock are the same as the side door. There is a plate the holds them in place. You can sort of see it in one of the pictures that I posted last night. I'll be away until late Monday and will take more pictures then if you need them. Bob

[SUHRsc]

Originally Posted by bbrust

Zach, I took a quick look at my rear door and it does look like the handle and lock are the same as the side door. There is a plate the holds them in place. You can sort of see it in one of the pictures that I posted last night. I'll be away until late Monday and will take more pictures then if you need them. Bob

Thanks
I will investigate more tonight... don't have the panels off the side doors so didn't have them to compare to...

trying to not disturb anything I don't have to....

[SUHRsc]

Figured out the latch... should be just fine once I get the cylinder... the hole in the wood was filled with gunk that looked like wood... but turned out the be dirt or a bugs nest or something... all made sense once I got that cleaned out!

now to get the lower hinge fixed so the door doesnt sag so bad.....

[felix37]

Nice Find!! keep us posted on the progress.

[41panelmark]

Very nice, keep all of us posted on your progress.

[SUHRsc]

Thanks guys...

I'll be searching at Hershey... but.. just incase..
I'm looking for a cigarette lighter, windshield crank knob, door window crank knobs, shifter knob & cowl vent handle that will match the age/wear of the rest of the vehicle...

Thanks
Zach

[Bruce Lancaster]

Well, I can see it has a non-original peach basket for the hubcaps. Proper basket should have zink rather than cad plate on handles, bass wood slats from the roof scrap at station wagon plant. That one just won't do.

Cultivate an acquaintance with streetrodders...they are the last great supply of original Ford detail as they replace all that stuff with catalog aluminun knobs and dashboards that look like highway guard rail with lawn tractor gauges!

[SUHRsc]

Bruce,
I knew I shoulda photoshopped that basket out of there!

I've got my feelers out for some parts...but...

HERSHEY IS COMING!!!

makin' a list... checkin' it twice...

[Fe26]

Originally Posted by Bruce Lancaster

Well, I can see it has a non-original peach basket for the hubcaps. Proper basket should have zink rather than cad plate on handles, bass wood slats from the roof scrap at station wagon plant. That one just won't do.

Cultivate an acquaintance with streetrodders...they are the last great supply of original Ford detail as they replace all that stuff with catalog aluminun knobs and dashboards that look like highway guard rail with lawn tractor gauges!

Hear-Hear! Well said, LOL

[Gumpy]

very rare find....they are still out there thanks for sharing!!!

[SUHRsc]

Does anyone have any idea what this seat is from?
It was laying in the back... I assume to put in for a passanger seat...but its not the same as the drivers seat....

[Harrison]

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Zach,

That car is absolutely perfect! Repair only what is absolutely necessary,fake the patina where you have to, and call it done.

The door and drip rails have to be addressed but it would be a shame to monkey with ANY of it that you don't have to.

It's perfect!

JH

[Gary]

Seat is from a fryerway, similar to a henway, have one in my 34 sedan delivery ( passenger side )

[SUHRsc]

Originally Posted by Gary

Seat is from a fryerway, similar to a henway, have one in my 34 sedan delivery ( passenger side )

I hadn't even thought to look in them...
I have an old Henway sitting here.... know a friend with a Fryerway... I'll ask him! thanks!

[HOTRODPRIMER]

Zach,,the photo of your girlfriend threw me for a loop and I did a double take when I saw it,,she looks a lot like one of my twin daughters,, HRP

[SUHRsc]

Originally Posted by HOTRODPRIMER

Zach,,the photo of your girlfriend threw me for a loop and I did a double take when I saw it,,she looks a lot like one of my twin daughters,, HRP

You look a lot like an in-law.... an in-law that generous with his extra old Ford parts.....

[SUHRsc]

Still looking for a bunch of parts (add in the wanted section)

35fordtn was nice enough to bring me a lock cylinder and pair of radiator hoses to Hershey
Bruce Lancaster loaned me a few books...
and I found a few odds and ends including a nice Sun Dsitributor machine

I found a total of 6 '38 Lincoln caps...
Since the tires were going flat... i bolted on some wheels with old 6.50 whitewalls, trim rings and the lincoln caps

sort of looks like a farmer going to the ball.... a bit inappropriate to have whitewalls on a work vehicle...

Should be purchasing a set of nice new 6.50 blackwalls soon from a friend..
Lincoln caps may stay though!

[Vic Piano]

I think the Hub caps and whitewalls are appropriate for the Sedan Delivery. It's one sharp looking vehicle.

[B-O-B]

Works for me. Very nice setup I think.

[Bill in Al]

Looks great to me.Wish I were that farmer!!

[jambottle]

thumbs up for the white walls!

[Ken Crans]

Wide Whites are the ticket!! Leave it just like it is. Ken

[SUHRsc]

Sorry to the whitewall fans.... shes back to lookin like a "truck" again!
6.50's....(I know... '36 caps... bought all the wheels and tires from a guy with a 36 truck that went to 15's)

[Tinker]

I just love that truck! So great! Think it needs some knobbies in the back

[Bill in Al]

Hey,blackwalls for when it's working through the week days and WW's for taking the girl friend out on Saturday night! (better do something with that passenger seat though!) I like that S.D.

[professorpat]

Did it come with the antique apple basket too???? I am Building a 37 delivery, best of luck, as if you have not had you fair share and them some. Pat

[41 Fords ohio]

Beautiful find and so intact! Just keep bringing them back. Congats many times over.

[41ford1]

I don't know that it really needs to look like a truck. The sedan deliveries are a car based commercial vehicle. I think the wide whites give it more of the look of a an up scale commercial car. Think of an exclusive grocery store or florist delivery car.
BTW, you have a very nice one there.

[Lawson Cox]

Nice find, and a rare bird at that. Congrats.

[SUHRsc]

Thanks everyone....
I thought the whitewalls looked nice... but just not what I wanted.... I plan to use this as a bit of a daily driver and also a tow vehicle for a vintage racecar from time to time....haul parts in it.... not so much worry about cleaning whitewalls and polishing hubcaps.... plus I have a dirt driveway....

I've got other projects(unfinished) for a night on the town... whitewalls and all!

The basket is actually what I bought... the '39 came with it!

[Bill in Al]

Zach,Thanks for posting your Website. A real pleasure going through it.Bill Stocks

[Rem]

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I have to say it looks great with the whitewalls and Lincoln caps - that high shot of it seems to give it some speed or something. It's OK with the 'work' wheels though - either way it's great that it'll live a while longer now.

[SUHRsc]

Thanks guys...
I spent a little time fiddling with the '39 today...

Found some newspapers stuffed here and there...

I have been unable to get the seat to slide back... I decided that it wasn't worth fighting it while bolted in... so... out she came!... only broke one bolt!

Apparently at some point the mounts had broken... probably unknown to the drivers... it eventually cut through the floor... I'm sure they noticed it at that point!

so they pulled the seat.... brazed the mounts back together and patched the floor by laying chunks of sheet metal over the holes!

anyways... heres a few photos...






I'm still a big fan of the new tires!!! Keep catching myself stopping and staring at it! haha

[APDAVE]

WOW!! Great find ,You lucky dog! Dave

[SUHRsc]

39.1 degrees in the garage...not bad till the cold floor works its way through your shoes!.... tried to atleast get a little done...

took out the floor mats and cleaned up all the "crap"



hard to see... but... holes were never drilled to mount the passenger seat... seems a shame to do it now if I find a seat...


also removed the non factory Purina Cow Chow steering column to floor seal!


floor mats are a little worse for wear... but... atleast enough there to see what they were like


Anyone have a clue about this heater?
I know its not "correct"... but what year is it from? (tropicair)


hoses are routed sort of strange... I'm guessing to possibly warm the fuel in the carburetor???


Thats all for today.... I know these aren't exciting updates... but since this vehicle is sort of rare... figured I would share whats happening... maybe it will benefit someone in the future....
Zach

[Tinker]

Exciting to me if that means anything. Floors look pretty good really.

[Tinker]

Whats the plan? Sand and oshpo?

[SUHRsc]

Thanks...
The floors are excelent! (for central PA)

Seems the only real major rust repair will be on the bottom of the drivers door... the drivers rain gutter.. and a small amount in the bottom of the B pillar ... the left front fenders needs some attention and then a few other dings dents and tears.... plus on the rear door the bottom hinge is bad...and the very tip of one corner of the door is rusted through...

Frame and all major floors are solid as can be.... but seems if it were outside not too much longer it would be gotten a lot worse....

I am not 100% sure what the plan is yet for repairing things... still in a huge debate over wether or not... or how much to restore... I have a million other projects going on... and no heat in the garage... so for now its more just dissassembly and assessing certain things....

Zach

[SUHRsc]

I spent some time today in the engine bay...

One thing led to another and I decided to pull the intake.... PHEW... she's pretty grunged up!
Lots of black carbon like material in the intake ports... and a nice thick layer of gunk inside the top of the block...
I figured its not worth risking things trying to get the motor running as-is... so i pulled the heads...

Looks like a nice solid block... not a ton of wear in the cylinders...and no noticable cracks in the typical places...

[Hamtown Al]

Looks like fun! Glad you are finding things to be relatively good.
Keep working,
Al

[Henry Hopper]

That is a great looking delivery..it just oozes class.I hope you find a place to put those old newspapers back in there somewhere...they`re part of it`s history now.

I like the idea of you using it as a workhorse....just get it mechanically sorted and safe to drive and then just do what is needed when it`s needed to keep it going....no fake "patina" there, it`s the real deal ,battle scars and all.I love it.

[Bruce Lancaster]

If you are careful and do a lot of flushing, you can do a pretty good desludging with just pan and manigold off...remove the baffles, scrub away with lots of solvent in valley until all moves downstairs. Repeat in upper crankcase, rorating the assembly and hosing away gnerously to get rid of all the stuff that lodged there. Take a break and have the actual pan hot tanked...
You really should go to PCV for engine protection ( I think I can replicate a 1943 OEM setup with available parts, now), but at least go to 180 thermostats to slow down recrudification. Get rid of the adaptor that is holding gauge sender 3" up in the air...your gauge has NO idea what's going on in the engine!
Scrape away carbon on ridge in cylinders, see if you have serious wear ridge or not.
See if engine is original sleeved version or not...

[SUHRsc]

thanks Bruce,
I think I am going to pull the motor out and try more or less what your saying to clean it up the best I can... go from there... may have to talk to you about the PCV set-up....
The gauge sender riser isn't making much difference considering the total lack of a tube running to the gauge any more...
I'd really like to make this as reliable and fuel efficient as possible... doubt dual carbs are the right thing for that... but... hmmmm something was bugging me about wanting to see this sitting on there!


I had yet to pull any drums... so off came the left front... all looks great in there...good bit of meat left on the shoes still...


Next I figured I might as well start dissassembling the drivers door as it is the worst part on the whole car....
what I thought was rot from water after the rain gutter rotted off... seems as though it may have been the fault of the mouse nest inside...
All in all the rest of the door is really nice... so just patch-er up on the bottom



The garnish has some really nice maroon paint on the inside... I assume this is the same color the dash was painted originally too...(commercial, so was not woodgrained I guess)
**looks brown in this pic.. but in person it looks like a dark maroon

you can see the radio block off has different color lines then the dash panel


finally... made an attempt to photo the door glass "bug" 7-38

[Tinker]

Like that intake. Just jet/pv the carbs way down maybe.

In florida the door rot would just be extra air conditioning.

[nitrohonkey]

What a great car! I love sedan deliverys.

[JeffreyJames]

Zach this is awesome man!!! I've been falling in love with '37 Sedan's and Deliveries lately and I'm dumbfounded how you always scoop up cool projects like this '39!!! You're like the Chris Swenson of the North East!

Congrats!

[Bruce Lancaster]

The guy is a magnet for Ford and racecar stuff...if you listen carefully, you can hear a slight scuffling noise as every bit of Ford iron in Pennsylvania crawls toward his barn.
I thought I had cleaned out eastern PA...hah!

[professorpat]

Zach, Is it possible to get you to send me the pictures you have taken of the interior of the delivery? I am building a 37, and want to make sure it is the original design. [email protected]

[rgtharley]

Funny, when I was a kid, those milk trucks looked a hell of a lot bigger.

[TonyM]

Originally Posted by SUHRsc

Still looking for a bunch of parts (add in the wanted section)

35fordtn was nice enough to bring me a lock cylinder and pair of radiator hoses to Hershey
Bruce Lancaster loaned me a few books...
and I found a few odds and ends including a nice Sun Dsitributor machine

I found a total of 6 '38 Lincoln caps...
Since the tires were going flat... i bolted on some wheels with old 6.50 whitewalls, trim rings and the lincoln caps

sort of looks like a farmer going to the ball.... a bit inappropriate to have whitewalls on a work vehicle...

Should be purchasing a set of nice new 6.50 blackwalls soon from a friend..
Lincoln caps may stay though!

Man, this really looks great. I know he changed it to black walls and stock wheels but this look works for me. Wow. What an awesome vehicle. The stock wheels are also attractive.

TM

[John Kennedy]

Just found and read this whole thread. Pretty damn cool Zach!
For the record, I like the blackwalls best. The entire delivery is really cool!

[professorpat]

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Zach, I need a picture of the rear door seal, an end shot woould help, I have no ideal what is supposed to be there. If yours is shot, I would pay for a small snipit of the end to see if we (I) could get steel rubber to make us some. No one seems to make it . thanks Pat

[SUHRsc]

Pat, real slow reply here (sorry).... but... this seal isn't going to do you any good.... unfortunately...

Its the same all the way around, too!

Zach

[Jason in TX]

That thing is just tooooo cool Zach.

[Vic Piano]

I'd like to enquire about the '38 LZ hubcaps, are you willing to sell them, if so, would you be willing to brake up the set and let two go? Please PM me or send me an email at: [email protected] if you would like to sell them. Thanks, Vic

[SUHRsc]

Sorry Vic... I'd like to hang on to them for now... Found 6 of them at Hershey this year... 4 and then 2... 1 is rough... figure I need 5 if I ever run them on anything with a spare..

I'm not much for selling things but I will keep you in mind if I find any more...
Zach

[Vic Piano]

Zach, I understand and appreciate that. I just need two for the front wheels on our '39 CS as the skirts hide the rear caps. I've not had your luck when it comes to finding '38 LZ hubcaps... Please let me know if you score any more. Thanks, Vic

[SUHRsc]

Vic, a friend of mine has 2 full sets... I tried to buy one set right before Hershey.... but he wouldn't budge... then luck was on my side at Hershey, I guess... None of mine are really nice...

Good luck on your search
Zach

[Vic Piano]

Zach, Thanks, I'll keep looking. Vic

[SUHRsc]

small update.... finally got a few nicer correct hubcaps thanks to JeffreyJames

[Chris]

Zach, I have "Commercial fever"...and updates? I must say, your lucky that thing was so far away from me

[1937pickup]

Great find-love the truck-this is the second sedan delivery this week. Love it and the rest of your collection.

[SUHRsc]

No major updates.... too much else going on right now remodeling my house...
I did start carefully removing all the interior panels and discovered quite a mouse nest...



Also lettered up one side of it....

[Chris]

That thing is SOOOOOOO neat!

[jerseyboy]

Zach,

EXCELLENNNT! Great lettering job! Fits well with the delivery.

Keep V-8ing and 4-banging!

[SUHRsc]

And out comes the engine and transmission...

Looks pretty decent.... hopefully nothing major wrong...
Hoping to redo the brakes and drop a 59AB in for the time being.... try to make this sucker run and drive.... then clean up the original stuff and go over it before putting it back in....
Transmission looks very good inside! So may just clean the outside a bit and put it right back in...

[Vic Piano]

Lookin' good! I love the logo on the side.

[1937pickup]

You can get more done on your cars while re-modeling than I do with nothing else on my plate.

[SUHRsc]

Thanks Vic...

'37.... I can't say that the remodeling is progressing as fast as it should be.... but.... have to keep my sanity by working in the garage too! haha...

[Bruce Lancaster]

You are overcomplicating your life. Note the following two incontrovertible facts:

1. You cannot drive your house.

2. You can indeed live in a delivery car.

Case closed.

I do have a '39 Merc engine here...with a drop of paint on the "99" stamp it would be entirely indistinguishable from a 1939 85.

[SUHRsc]

Originally Posted by Bruce Lancaster

You are overcomplicating your life. Note the following two incontrovertible facts:

1. You cannot drive your house.

2. You can indeed live in a delivery car.

Case closed.

I do have a '39 Merc engine here...with a drop of paint on the "99" stamp it would be entirely indistinguishable from a 1939 85.

You are absoltuely right Bruce....

I could give that '39 Merc motor a good "home" if its looking???

[hemifalcon]

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So--I just found this site once again.. and found this thread--so what's new with this great looking delivery??

[SUHRsc]

Finally a little update and some questions...
I have been sidetracked with many other things... and this poor '39 has been tucked in a corner...

A few days ago I rolled it out into the middle of the garage and started making some lists of parts I need and getting an idea of what REALLY needs fixed in order to get it on the road...

Mainly the drivers door is needing a good bit of repair... It had a rats nest in it and I guess that's what ate it from the inside out...
Luckily it only needs a little bit of repair to the inner structure and probably about 7 or 8 inches of the outside skin

Need to find some 19 gauge sheet to repair this... shouldn't be a huge undertaking, hopefully!




I tried to fit up the front splash panel that I bought, which was missing... seems its about an inch too short?
Is this possibly for another year or a deluxe?
I can make it fit, no problem... just wondering


I bought a running 59AB from a friend of mine a while back... Started fiddling with it to change some things to make it fit in the '39... going to use it for the time being. The old motor is on the stand above...


Trying to figure out what these extra wires are for? They were like this when I bought it... taped off... I don't see them in the wiring diagram?
Maybe I am just missing it?


This is the heater that was in there... seems like a nice instalation... would this be just a random dealer installed unit?





Still hunting another taillight stand... for the other side...


I bolted some fog lights on the front to see how they look... these say Studebaker on the lense... the age and wear seems to match the rest of this '39... had to remove the front license mount to attach them even on both sides.... I figure they will be good for turn signals as I'm planning to drive this quite a bit when it gets roadworthy....



So thats about it for now...
not going to be a fast process as funds are tight... but I would love to have this roadworthy for Hershey in the fall... we'll see!

[Tim Ayers]

Awesome! Thanks for the update and good luck on getting it to where you want it.

[SUHRsc]

Thanks Tim!

[Jason in TX]

Looking good Zach. Love that delivery!

[SUHRsc]

Thanks Jason!


Also... still looking for a 2nd seat!!

[SUHRsc]

Didn't really have any time to work last night...
tried to figure out the door sheet metal thickness... seems right around .040-.042
Guess I'll have to get some 19 gauge to get something close.... shame I have 18 and 20 sitting around!

More interesting though...started trying to figure when this was built
The number from the transmission 5038238 looks like its between April 3rd and 28th

The list of running changes then seems to place it between May 17th and 26th
It has the newer type shocks on the back... but still has a slotted screw holding the door lock in as opposed to the hex...

[LuckyFordGuy]

Great find love the pictures keep us posted Rog.

[Bruce Lancaster]

I think your dates line up nicely...the serial number date is when the engine was made at the rouge. Engines then were shipped off to the 20 or so assembly plants, and there installed in chassis.
I've never worried much about it, but sometimes instrument cluster and window glass are sources of dates more related to the whole car.
Exact timing was also affected by engines being stuffed into storage at each place and taken out probably in order of proximity to the door.
That 59 work??

[SUHRsc]

I was glad all the dates made somewhat legitimate sense also...
The window glass is from '38... that's what I checked first...
Maybe something to do with the Sedan Deliveries being basically the same body from '38?

The 59AB turns over nice... haven't tried to fire it yet...
Thinking I should probably fix the brakes and wiring before I drop it in...

Any thoughts on those extra wires, Bruce?

[Bruce Lancaster]

None without some heavy research...but the parts manual drawings give some idea of basic routings of the bundles.
Where is your HL switch currently?? I think you have a car that had main swithc below steering but dimmer on floor. Might relate to that or to a modernized switch or maybe alien attack.

[SUHRsc]

headlight switch is on the wheel and the dimmer on the floor... both are wired correctly and work as they should and also match the diagram in the little '39 booklet that has a ghost car drawing... which the drawing has no extra wires that I can see where these are located....
Horns had the correct wiring also, down below

Debating whether this wiring should be replaced or not... it does indeed work for the most part... and looks nice most places sealed into the car with layers and layers of solidified dirt and grime...

[SUHRsc]

Maybe Voltage Regulator? then it showed up with a cut-out?

The cowl has 2 screws in that area?

[Chris]

Is there three screw holes on the firewall where there should be a voltage regulator?

[SUHRsc]

only 2 holes on the firewall....

but look at this
http://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showth...ght=kube+lunch

also... I noticed the wiring that went to the generator has tape on it like someone modified it...

[Pete/Ct.]

If I remember corectley the 39 4 door sedan door will fit your sedan delivery.

[SUHRsc]

Thank you, Pete... I am keeping my eyes open for a door... 4dr I thought might work also...
Mine is actually really nice other then the bottom... so probably better off patchin git up anyways....at least it should be cheaper!

I am pretty sure the extra wiring is for a Voltage regulator... I realized that the generator was wrong to '39 also.. and looks like someone changed the wiring a bit up at that end also...

Seems the frequent stop delivery vehicles got the upgraded generator with regulator...

[SUHRsc]

FINALLY!! I didn't expect at the beginning that it would have been so hard to find a 2nd seat!

Thanks to a great guy who contacted me about it... took a lot of measurements to be sure it was right and then delivered this from North Carolina to my door!

I still need mounting parts for the pass seat and possibly for the drivers seat also as mine are pretty mangled from repairs... won't be terrible to make if I have to for the pass side as I believe they don't adjust...

Obviously the upholstery is not correct... but its all the same framework and everything.... this one is a little more worn at the pivots and it leans back too far.. but thats an easy fix with some weld...(mine was only used for 9 years so its pretty nice)

[jerseyboy]

Don't you just love it when somebody has what you need! I really love your delivery sedan.

[SUHRsc]

Finally got all the lettering done! Now to actually make it GO!

[Frank Miller]

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Looks great!

[biggeorge]

Nice job!! it looks like it's been there for ever

[Tim Ayers]

Originally Posted by biggeorge

Nice job!! it looks like it's been there for ever

Agreed. Looks awesome. Ddi you do the pinstriping underneath the lettering as well?

[SUHRsc]

Thanks!
This was just all blue when I started. Well, blue and rust and red primer.

[Dan Hay]

Looks great. I have a sweet spot for sedan deliverys.

[jerseyboy]

Zach,

Man that looks great! Are you going to bring it to ROG II? You could tow a racer.

Keep V-8ing and 4-banging!

[SUHRsc]

Originally Posted by jerseyboy

Zach,
Man that looks great! Are you going to bring it to ROG II? You could tow a racer.
Keep V-8ing and 4-banging!

I highly doubt it, though I will be there with a roadster.

I am hoping that I will have this on the road by then but I don't think a trip that far will be good right off the bat.
I'm hoping I can drive it to Hershey at least, the following week.
I have spots CJ 80-83

[Shogun1940]

I have one also,, presently working on putting in new floors and fixing the firewall. I had it on the road in88 with Toyota in it,, now working to restore it .
[email protected]. ////mass.

[mhsprecher]

Thanks for resurrecting this. What a neat car!

[Mart]

Yeah, nice to read through this one again.

Zach, what's the current status on the delivery? Such a neat vehicle. The originality in it's found state is outstanding.

Mart.

[Planojc]

There is a Ford Dealer in Sunbury, Pa which I'm sure is probably where the car came from. Several years ago I found a Ford Emergency Bulb and Fuse kit at a swap meet and inside was the original receipt from Sunbury Motor CO. dated 7-25-1939. The phone number on the receipt was 270. I did some research and found out they are still in business so I sent them a picture of the kit, receipt and my 1939 Std. Coupe. The owner and General Manager sent me back a very nice letter and said that the mechanic who had initialed the receipt had worked for the dealership for 40 plus years and recently had passed away. You may want to send them a picture of your 39.

[wolfords]

Nice car, i will post my 1938 sedan delivery later! Needing side stainless.

[SUHRsc]

Just saw this was brought back up.... unfortunately no good updates.... I fixed the rust on the bottom of the drivers door... then started on replacing the rain gutter that had rotted off... made a big list of all of the small things needed to make it go.... then got side tracked by other projects.

Just doesn't seem to be enough hours in the day or dollars in the bank. We've been remodeling our house and I've been playing with antique race cars.

Still looking for seat mounts/tracks for either side. I have 2 seats but only the original drivers mounting hardware and tracks.

This is still one of my favorite vehicles I own so it will get back on the road one of these days!

I'll look into that dealer PlanoJC, thanks!

[Chris]

Zach I still remember you asking me about this car before you bought it. I'm sure glad you did buy it (And I bet you are as well). It is an amazing find!

[SUHRsc]

I am very glad, Chris.... and glad I have hung onto it as well.... been some tempting offers!

[Anton Voycheck]

Great Save!!! I saw photos of this 39 SD on Facebook.

[SUHRsc]

Well, this old girl emerged from the depths yesterday.... I'm still not sure if it will become top priority or not... but it's currently sitting in the work area.

I'm hunting any inside spare tire parts from 37-39's and any seat mounting parts. These may be the same as other years also.

Rear is not bolted in and no engine or trans... so its sitting up a bit high.

[rockfla]

I'm currently having seat brackets made for 35-36 sedan delivery, not sure if they are the same? I'd give you the part number but the tag is with the original at my fabricators shop!

[GB SISSON]

I too have to commend you for the work you've done and for keeping it real. What a great find!

[SUHRsc]

Thanks Rockfla, I believe they may be slightly taller....

I keep debating about just making some myself also... I have the originals from the drivers seat but not in the greatest condition.

The pass seat should be different I believe?

[SUHRsc]

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I'm sure you've all been on the edge of your seat for years waiting for an update.... well I'm happy to say that this old girl has finally been brought back to life and made its first trip on the road in 75 years, a few days ago.

I still have a long list of things to get done on it but as I've mentioned over the years, I'm shooting to drive it to Hershey. If all goes well it seems like this might actually be the year for it!!

I now have 2-year-old twins, a new 147-year-old house and barn and a few extra acres to maintain. I just made up my mind in the past few months that it was time that this delivery got the attention it has deserved for years. I put a 59AB engine in it temporarily but I have some other plans with some interesting parts that hopefully can all work out over the winter. I've stuck with the plan to not use anything on it that couldn't have been found in 1948 or earlier which is the last that this was driven.

Anyways, just figured I'd post an update.
Thanks
Zach

[petehoovie]

Originally Posted by SUHRsc

I'm sure you've all been on the edge of your seat for years waiting for an update.... well I'm happy to say that this old girl has finally been brought back to life and made its first trip on the road in 75 years, a few days ago.

I still have a long list of things to get done on it but as I've mentioned over the years, I'm shooting to drive it to Hershey. If all goes well it seems like this might actually be the year for it!!

I now have 2-year-old twins, a new 147-year-old house and barn and a few extra acres to maintain. I just made up my mind in the past few months that it was time that this delivery got the attention it has deserved for years. I put a 59AB engine in it temporarily but I have some other plans with some interesting parts that hopefully can all work out over the winter. I've stuck with the plan to not use anything on it that couldn't have been found in 1948 or earlier which is the last that this was driven.

Anyways, just figured I'd post an update.
Thanks
Zach

These kids are sooo neat!!! Great pictures!!!

[ford38v8]

Zach, Welcome back, and really good to see you’re back at it! Please keep the pics and stories coming!

[Model51]

if you do make it to Hershey, please send a note as to where you are parked (or plan to be). Hershey is big enough to miss things and it would be fun to see your car.

[SUHRsc]

Our spaces are CJ 80-83
No guarantees yet but that's where it will be if so...

Originally Posted by Model51

if you do make it to Hershey, please send a note as to where you are parked (or plan to be). Hershey is big enough to miss things and it would be fun to see your car.

[37 truck]

Thanks for posting this, reading it was a walk down memory lane.

[meric42]

Nice to see the progress on the '39, you're doing a great job. I wish I had the time to work on my #2 '42 SD, I hope to do a similar freshen-up to yours but time and other projects keep getting in the way . Great work, keep the pictures coming.

[petehoovie]

Originally Posted by meric42

Nice to see the progress on the '39, you're doing a great job. I wish I had the time to work on my #2 '42 SD, I hope to do a similar freshen-up to yours but time and other projects keep getting in the way . Great work, keep the picture coming.

[TonyM]

Great work. Congratulations. Good luck down the road.