The Ford Barn

jim1932 · 09-28-2011, 06:41 AM

In the book on page 19-8 I can see that the strap had some sort of a rotating cover over the lock. Was this just a disk that hung there? was there a spring on it? Does anyone have one that they can photogragh the cover and especially the pin set up attaching it to the strap? It looks like it was threaded in?

Also, what paint are you using for parts like this that tend to get beatup?

DavidG · 09-28-2011, 10:12 AM

Jim,

That lock cover swivels counter clockwise to cover the face of and part of side and top the lock cylinder housing. As you can see in the book side view photo, it is not simply a disc, but rather a stamping. It is attaced with a chrome-plated brass rivet that goes through the small hole above the lock cylinder (as in your photo). There's no spring, just the cover and the rivet I seem to recall that I have a spare lock cover, but I cannot confirm that until after Hershey.

We use single stage urethane for most chassis parts and powder coating on a selected basis. The latter might be a good choice in this instance, but make sure the front and back of the lock cylinder housing are adequately masked to protect it.

jim1932 · 09-28-2011, 10:17 AM

So is the remaining shaft left from the cover screwed in? or pressed in? It is flush on the opposite side, so I can not tell if it is threaded. Just trying to figure out how to take it off. without damaging anything.

DavidG · 09-28-2011, 10:33 AM

If you mean the remains of the fastener that held the cover in place, it's a rivet peened over on the tubular side of the rivet, i.e. on the back side. It is not threaded.

jim1932 · 09-28-2011, 07:11 PM

This doesn't look like a rivet... I suppose it could be deteriorated. It sure isn't loose. If it gets replaced by a rivet I won't worry about messing up threads trying to get it out.

DavidG · 09-28-2011, 10:02 PM

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Given that the cover has to rotate, it would not be a simple tubular rivet, but rather one with a shoulder so that it could not be installed so tight that the cover could not be rotated. As I am away from my hobby building until after Hershey, I cannot reference my spare tire locks to clarify further.

Brad in Germany · 09-28-2011, 10:10 PM

Here is what the lock door looks like (in the open position):

It is from this 1932 NOS Ford tire lock:

Hope that helps.

Fordially,
Brad in Germany now in MD

jim1932 · 09-28-2011, 11:37 PM

Brad,

You are in Bethesda too?? Any chance I can see that strap in person?

DavidG · 10-08-2011, 06:45 PM

Jim,

There were several NOS spare tire locks (strap type) at Hershey and on all of the them the lock cover was riveted to the strap, as indicated previously.

David

PeteVS · 10-08-2011, 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DavidG

We use single stage urethane for most chassis parts and powder coating on a selected basis. The latter might be a good choice in this instance, but make sure the front and back of the lock cylinder housing are adequately masked to protect it.

Are there any single stage urethanes other than Imron? That's supposed to be nasty stuff.

DavidG · 10-08-2011, 10:00 PM

We use PPG paints, including their single stage urethane. All modern paints have to be treated with respect from a safety point of view.

rotorwrench · 10-09-2011, 10:45 AM

Someone may have threaded that in the past as a repair method for a worn out rivet.

All of the poly urethane paints including Imron contain isocyanate so they all require a good resperator while spraying. PPG used to have Deltron (may still have but I haven't used it for a long time) which in an acrylic urethane but you still have to protect your lungs. All of them have toluene in there and that stuff can really hurt you over time.

Kerby

PeteVS · 10-09-2011, 01:40 PM

Thanks for the warnings! I might have to look professional rather than back yard.

jim1932 · 11-21-2011, 05:28 PM

Can some one post a closeup, front and back, of what the rivet looks like installed?

Thanks.

Junknshit · 11-21-2011, 07:00 PM

Isocyonates go in thru your pores, not breathed in. Need to wear good respirator mask with correct filters for solvents, wear a suit, and good ventilation. New paints are way more dangerous to people than old ones, but "They are good for the environment"

Anything with a hardener has isocyanates in it.

jim1932 · 11-21-2011, 07:41 PM

It gets too complicated.... I stick to rustoleum.

jim1932 · 12-08-2011, 06:33 PM

Still looking for a good photo and/or specs on the fastener that holds the lock cover on.

09-28-2011, 10:12 AM	#2
DavidG Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: southeastern Michigan Posts: 10,101	Re: Questions on 32 Spare Tire Lock strap Jim, That lock cover swivels counter clockwise to cover the face of and part of side and top the lock cylinder housing. As you can see in the book side view photo, it is not simply a disc, but rather a stamping. It is attaced with a chrome-plated brass rivet that goes through the small hole above the lock cylinder (as in your photo). There's no spring, just the cover and the rivet I seem to recall that I have a spare lock cover, but I cannot confirm that until after Hershey. We use single stage urethane for most chassis parts and powder coating on a selected basis. The latter might be a good choice in this instance, but make sure the front and back of the lock cylinder housing are adequately masked to protect it. Last edited by DavidG; 09-28-2011 at 10:13 AM. Reason: punctuation

09-28-2011, 10:17 AM	#3
jim1932 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Hancock, MA Posts: 2,781	Re: Questions on 32 Spare Tire Lock strap So is the remaining shaft left from the cover screwed in? or pressed in? It is flush on the opposite side, so I can not tell if it is threaded. Just trying to figure out how to take it off. without damaging anything.

09-28-2011, 10:33 AM	#4
DavidG Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: southeastern Michigan Posts: 10,101	Re: Questions on 32 Spare Tire Lock strap If you mean the remains of the fastener that held the cover in place, it's a rivet peened over on the tubular side of the rivet, i.e. on the back side. It is not threaded.

09-28-2011, 10:02 PM	#6
DavidG Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: southeastern Michigan Posts: 10,101	Re: Questions on 32 Spare Tire Lock strap Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Given that the cover has to rotate, it would not be a simple tubular rivet, but rather one with a shoulder so that it could not be installed so tight that the cover could not be rotated. As I am away from my hobby building until after Hershey, I cannot reference my spare tire locks to clarify further.

09-28-2011, 10:10 PM	#7
Brad in Germany Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Potomac, Maryland Posts: 911	Re: Questions on 32 Spare Tire Lock strap Here is what the lock door looks like (in the open position): It is from this 1932 NOS Ford tire lock: Hope that helps. Fordially, Brad in Germany now in MD

09-28-2011, 11:37 PM	#8
jim1932 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Hancock, MA Posts: 2,781	Re: Questions on 32 Spare Tire Lock strap Brad, You are in Bethesda too?? Any chance I can see that strap in person?

10-08-2011, 06:45 PM	#9
DavidG Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: southeastern Michigan Posts: 10,101	Re: Questions on 32 Spare Tire Lock strap Jim, There were several NOS spare tire locks (strap type) at Hershey and on all of the them the lock cover was riveted to the strap, as indicated previously. David

10-08-2011, 10:00 PM	#11
DavidG Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: southeastern Michigan Posts: 10,101	Re: Questions on 32 Spare Tire Lock strap We use PPG paints, including their single stage urethane. All modern paints have to be treated with respect from a safety point of view.

10-09-2011, 10:45 AM	#12
rotorwrench Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 16,426	Re: Questions on 32 Spare Tire Lock strap Someone may have threaded that in the past as a repair method for a worn out rivet. All of the poly urethane paints including Imron contain isocyanate so they all require a good resperator while spraying. PPG used to have Deltron (may still have but I haven't used it for a long time) which in an acrylic urethane but you still have to protect your lungs. All of them have toluene in there and that stuff can really hurt you over time. Kerby

10-09-2011, 01:40 PM	#13
PeteVS Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: FP, NJ Posts: 2,770	Re: Questions on 32 Spare Tire Lock strap Thanks for the warnings! I might have to look professional rather than back yard. __________________ Don't never get rid of nuthin!

11-21-2011, 05:28 PM	#14
jim1932 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Hancock, MA Posts: 2,781	Re: Questions on 32 Spare Tire Lock strap Can some one post a closeup, front and back, of what the rivet looks like installed? Thanks. Last edited by jim1932; 11-21-2011 at 05:29 PM. Reason: typo

11-21-2011, 07:00 PM	#15
Junknshit Banned Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Wash. Posts: 233	Re: Questions on 32 Spare Tire Lock strap Isocyonates go in thru your pores, not breathed in. Need to wear good respirator mask with correct filters for solvents, wear a suit, and good ventilation. New paints are way more dangerous to people than old ones, but "They are good for the environment" Anything with a hardener has isocyanates in it.

11-21-2011, 07:41 PM	#16
jim1932 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Hancock, MA Posts: 2,781	Re: Questions on 32 Spare Tire Lock strap It gets too complicated.... I stick to rustoleum.

12-08-2011, 06:33 PM	#17
jim1932 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Hancock, MA Posts: 2,781	Re: Questions on 32 Spare Tire Lock strap Still looking for a good photo and/or specs on the fastener that holds the lock cover on.