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Old 01-13-2013, 04:49 AM   #21
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Simple Answer !! "NO ONE" And I have two of the "OTHER" ones..
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Old 01-13-2013, 08:42 AM   #22
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I sometimes wonder how high a "brand new" Model A would have scored at MAFCA / MARC judging... ?

And where the deductions ( if any ) would be made ?

I am pretty sure a "brand new" Model-A would score a perfect score providing the person that entered the vehicle in competition understood how the game is played. My reasoning for why it would receive a perfect score is that we know 100% of ALL parts & materials on the vehicle are original. Think about this for a moment or two!! My personal experiences are that so often this is where points are lost. If you entered a vehicle, would it have all original fabric in the upholstery or top? What about tires, belt or hoses? What about wiring? See my point?

With regard to craftsmanship, the correct finishes would be there likely including runs in the paint on the wheels, --which is accepted as noted in the Stds. The same for the rest of the finishes. The reason I said the person entering the vehicle would need to be on his game is because they would need to know, -and understand the Standards as compared to their vehicle in case any variences needed to be submitted. One also should remember that the Standards is not a book that outlines how each Model-A was manufactured originally, --but it is the absolute Standard by which each vehicle is to be evaluated against in competition. This is often confusing to someone who "observes" from the sidelines.

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Old 05-03-2014, 02:27 AM   #23
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Surely the premise of the thread is a nonsense. If an object is totally original it can't be restored! You can only restore something to original when its already lost some of its originality.
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Old 05-03-2014, 07:29 AM   #24
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high 300s - low 400s. Fit and finish. Check the paint runs in body panels, fenders, and wheels. Just my take...
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Old 05-03-2014, 07:32 AM   #25
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Sorry ,the above post was to answer Special Coupe Frank's question. Marco you are probably correct about this type of post, but it is still fun to laugh isn't it...
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Old 05-03-2014, 08:18 AM   #26
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There is but one Judge that matters on my Model A --me. I never plan to show her. I grew up with national level show dog breeders and with qualitative contests, it more times than not who you know or how long you've put in your dues rather than a true Judgement... As always, to each owner their own and enjoy.
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Old 05-03-2014, 12:00 PM   #27
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I once showed an original 32,000 mile Model A and was docked because of the workmanship. It must have been a Monday morning car.

Theoretically a zero mile Model A should earn 500 points. In reality I believe that one wouldn't score close to 500. I have crawled under and looked inside a good dozen original, low mile Model A's. Every single one of them had something that might make a judge think twice and take an exception to.

mshmodela, you are spot on when you said, 'There is but one Judge that matters on my Model A --me'. With that said I will be putting a car in fine point this summer. I hope that it does well in scoring but my personal satisfaction will not come from a score but rather it will come from the knowledge that I, in a way that I saw fit, saved a unique antique automobile.
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Old 05-03-2014, 12:48 PM   #28
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I think some awards should be created for the guys that build cars from parts and put them back on the road .

They are the ones that walk the swap meets and put it all together .

I see so many rolling chassis and body parts for sale , I admire the guys that can make a car .

I also like the fine point cars and the effort to do your best .

What I don't understand is a car that has been restored and put up for sale painted wrong colors .

If you are going to sell it as soon as its finished why not paint it correct ???
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Old 05-03-2014, 01:28 PM   #29
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Do we really need threads like this ?????? How does this furthur our wonderful hobby ????????

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'how', well IMO it brings a discussion of reality/enlightenment to the 'hobby'...not to mention the smiles from whit ! And, it only happens a very small percentage overall,eh ! Look at the learning side,i.e.- some found out that it is MM is punch as a remedy. We learned that ....if you have an A entered for judging , and a 'fat guy with straw hat..60ish..in doing the judgeing, that possibly nepotism/whatever is involved and you may not be happy Aer. Mostly good thread info, Imo !
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Old 05-03-2014, 01:41 PM   #30
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I have not owned a Model A in 40 years, but I have seen them at the car shows.
From reading the 'A' forums, it looks like there are four top questions that must be answered before entering the judging arena.
1. How many threads are showing on a head stud.
2. Non detergent or detergent oil?
3. Do we add zinc to the oil?
4. Which is better, Seafoam or Marvel Mystery Oil ?
I think this is humorous, don't you?
Yes I have work to do, but it's cold & windy today.

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Old 05-03-2014, 02:27 PM   #31
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No bad for a year old thread.
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