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Charlie Stephens · 09-03-2017, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by hdc

It's not yet mine, though I do believe I will bring it home next week.
No worries on trying to do too much at the same time

Thanks

When you buy it be sure to order a copy of the Restoration Guidelines for 1937 from the Early Ford V8 Club. It will answer questions that you didn't even know you had. Probably the best single investment you can make, https://www.earlyfordv8.org/Shop.cfm?id=59&pid=2 Be sure to have someone that knows the '37 look at it before you buy it. Where in general are you and the car located (add your general location to your profile)?

Charlie Stephens

JWL · 09-03-2017, 07:40 PM

I have a correct engine for your car. Email me

[email protected]

if you want to pursue the matter.

John

petehoovie · 09-03-2017, 08:09 PM

Here's what the correct engine looks like....

rotorwrench · 09-04-2017, 08:33 AM

While the Dagenham, UK engines are technically correct, the cylinder head gives away the British origin. The US engines would have had very little cast marking on the cylinder head. The first 37 (77 prefix) were aluminum 77-6050 then later the 77-6050-A cast iron ones were produced. The Commonwealth version were 77E prefix and many had a dim Ford USA casting mark while the firing order marks were crisp in their raised relief. These are good replacements but are not authentic for USA production. These engines were manufactured for a long time in UK and Canada since they were in production for war time track vehicles like the Universal Carrier. The UK had a policy of selling surplus war equipment back to the manufacturer after secession of hostilities so they stayed around for a good bit after the war.

5851a · 09-04-2017, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by petehoovie

Here's what the correct engine looks like....

That's a nice looking engine bay, can someone educate me? Did the different colors on the spark wires come that way for many years? Was it's main purpose to help down on the distributor?

hdc · 09-04-2017, 01:17 PM

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The seller also has a 1936 5 window coupe for sale, with this engine.

The picture is again terrible and he hasn't sent me anymore pictures, but this looks a lot more like a 37 engine to me.

Where can one find the engine number on these engines? In case it is a 37 engine, I'd like to try and determine if it could have been original to the 37.

Thanks for your comments

petehoovie · 09-04-2017, 01:36 PM

Count the head studs/nuts. If it's a '37 it will only have 21 studs....

TonyM · 09-04-2017, 01:55 PM

Here is my 1937 engine that was original to the car -- has later model generator and voltage regulator.

V8COOPMAN · 09-04-2017, 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hdc

The seller also has a 1936 5 window coupe for sale, with this engine.

The picture is again terrible and he hasn't sent me anymore pictures, but this looks a lot more like a 37 engine to me.

Where can one find the engine number on these engines? In case it is a 37 engine, I'd like to try and determine if it could have been original to the 37.

Thanks for your comments

As discussed to some extent previously, the engine in the '37 which you are considering IS NOT a "correct" engine for a '37.......it is an 8BA (or possibly 8CM Mercury) engine built some time between 1948-1953. Also understand that NONE of these flathead engines have "engine numbers" that match the vehicle's serial number. That number is usually stamped into the upper flange on the TRANSMISSION case adjacent to where the transmission bolts to the rear of the engine.

A '36 engine does have 21 studs per cylinder head like a '37, but the '36 cylinder heads each have an integral water pump mounted at the front, where-as the '37 and '38 engines have the water pumps bolted into the front face of the block. DD

FritzJr · 09-05-2017, 08:35 AM

Actually, the '37 engines are easier to find than the earlier 21 stud engines. The '37 style block was used for replacement engines for the '32 - '36 style. There were block-off plates used to cover the water pump openings. The heads used were the '36 style which had the pumps in the heads, but used dome pistons. The '37 blocks become available when folks restore their '32 - '36 cars back to original.

09-03-2017, 07:40 PM	#22
JWL Member Emeritus Join Date: May 2010 Location: Fitzgerald, Georgia Posts: 2,204	Re: 37 Engine? I have a correct engine for your car. Email me [email protected] if you want to pursue the matter. John

09-04-2017, 08:33 AM	#24
rotorwrench Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 16,426	Re: 37 Engine? While the Dagenham, UK engines are technically correct, the cylinder head gives away the British origin. The US engines would have had very little cast marking on the cylinder head. The first 37 (77 prefix) were aluminum 77-6050 then later the 77-6050-A cast iron ones were produced. The Commonwealth version were 77E prefix and many had a dim Ford USA casting mark while the firing order marks were crisp in their raised relief. These are good replacements but are not authentic for USA production. These engines were manufactured for a long time in UK and Canada since they were in production for war time track vehicles like the Universal Carrier. The UK had a policy of selling surplus war equipment back to the manufacturer after secession of hostilities so they stayed around for a good bit after the war.

09-04-2017, 01:36 PM	#27
petehoovie Senior Member Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 8,116	Re: 37 Engine? Count the head studs/nuts. If it's a '37 it will only have 21 studs.... __________________ The only thing nice about being imperfect is the joy it brings to others.... *"Silver rings, your butt! Them's washers!"* "We shot our way out of that town for a dollar's worth of steel holes!" - from 'The Wild Bunch' - 1969 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NReUd2_0u0 Last edited by petehoovie; 09-04-2017 at 02:46 PM.

09-05-2017, 08:35 AM	#30
FritzJr Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Northern Neck, VA Posts: 131	Re: 37 Engine? Actually, the '37 engines are easier to find than the earlier 21 stud engines. The '37 style block was used for replacement engines for the '32 - '36 style. There were block-off plates used to cover the water pump openings. The heads used were the '36 style which had the pumps in the heads, but used dome pistons. The '37 blocks become available when folks restore their '32 - '36 cars back to original.