Go Back   The Ford Barn > General Discussion > Early V8 (1932-53)

Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 11-29-2019, 05:28 PM   #1
Ian1932
Senior Member
 
Ian1932's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: Knoxville, TN
Posts: 317
Default Some Questions........

1. Do my rear brakes lines look good? Anything you see that might be in the way or isnt acceptable?

2. the front cross-member where my finger is pointing. I was going to drill and tap a hole to hold the front brake line. Will this be a problem or interfere? I figured it would be tucked away down there and woulnt be visible...

3. The holes in the bottom of the lower frame rail in the front, what are these for? Can i use these holes to bolt brake line clamps?

4. The cowl to firewall gasket. Does this get cut off where the ridge ends? Does this sit on the ridge as in the pic? Do i need to glue this in place so it doesnt move?

5. In my firewall grommet kit i have a few pcs that im not sure what they are for?

6. Is there a way to test a brake light switch or do they just last "forever"?
Attached Images
File Type: jpg thumbnail_IMG_2765.jpg (72.3 KB, 170 views)
File Type: jpg thumbnail_IMG_2766.jpg (96.6 KB, 157 views)
File Type: jpg thumbnail_IMG_2767.jpg (84.2 KB, 165 views)
File Type: jpg thumbnail_IMG_2768.jpg (96.6 KB, 154 views)
File Type: jpg thumbnail_IMG_2773.jpg (102.2 KB, 156 views)
File Type: jpg thumbnail_IMG_2777.jpg (35.0 KB, 152 views)
File Type: jpg thumbnail_IMG_2771.jpg (84.2 KB, 132 views)
File Type: jpg thumbnail_IMG_2764.jpg (15.4 KB, 111 views)
File Type: jpg thumbnail_IMG_2772.jpg (91.3 KB, 116 views)
File Type: jpg thumbnail_IMG_2778.jpg (34.2 KB, 111 views)
File Type: jpg thumbnail_IMG_2779.jpg (22.6 KB, 107 views)
File Type: jpg thumbnail_IMG_2780.jpg (20.1 KB, 104 views)
File Type: jpg thumbnail_IMG_2769.jpg (55.4 KB, 103 views)
File Type: jpg thumbnail_IMG_2781.jpg (86.1 KB, 89 views)

Last edited by Ian1932; 11-29-2019 at 06:16 PM.
Ian1932 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2019, 05:33 PM   #2
Desoto291Hemi
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: Carthage , Tennessee
Posts: 199
Default Re: Some Questions........

Looks goood to me.
I am not an expert on the early stuff yet,,,but it looks like you are doing good work.

Tommy
Desoto291Hemi is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)
Old 11-29-2019, 06:24 PM   #3
36rgtop
Senior Member
 
36rgtop's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: east coast
Posts: 113
Default Re: Some Questions........

Everything looks good to me.

Only question in my mind is, was the frame originally painted any other color than black?
36rgtop is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2019, 06:54 PM   #4
Charlie Stephens
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Southern California
Posts: 7,017
Default Re: Some Questions........

The holes in the bottom of the frame rail in front are probably for engine splash pans. The left over hose is a drain for the cowl vent. It extends from the trough at the bottom of the cowl vent opening out through the firewall (see photo).

Charlie Stephens
Attached Images
File Type: jpg IMG_1848.jpg (376.6 KB, 29 views)

Last edited by Charlie Stephens; 11-29-2019 at 07:27 PM.
Charlie Stephens is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2019, 07:05 PM   #5
cmbrucew
Senior Member
 
cmbrucew's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: North of sandy ago, CA.
Posts: 2,063
Default Re: Some Questions........

Is there a way to test a brake light switch or do they just last "forever"?


Remove switch from fitting and screw into a air pressure regulator fitted with a pressure guage. With a multi meter attached to the two terminals of the switch, increase air pressure until the multi meter shows continunity. Note the pressure required to activate the switch, if it is acceptable, resuse it.



Bruce
__________________
Works good
Lasts long time
cmbrucew is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2019, 07:29 PM   #6
Charlie Stephens
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Southern California
Posts: 7,017
Default Re: Some Questions........

Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)
Quote:
Originally Posted by 36rgtop View Post
Everything looks good to me.

Only question in my mind is, was the frame originally painted any other color than black?
All frames were black including the part between the running board and the body.

Charlie Stephens
Charlie Stephens is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2019, 07:29 PM   #7
cas3
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: sw minnesota
Posts: 4,541
Default Re: Some Questions........

ford usually split the rear lines at the wishbone mount on the torque tube, then a line down each radius rod to the wheel cylinders. yours will work, henry's method is just a little more tidy
cas3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2019, 07:34 PM   #8
Charlie Stephens
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Southern California
Posts: 7,017
Default Re: Some Questions........

The rubber with the cut off goes into the firewall (see picture). The metal plug might be for the dash if the car did not have a dash light switch (what does the other side look like?). The one with the small hole in the center was for the wire to the Model B coil that was mounted inside of the dash (see picture). How about better shots of the one still unidentified rubber plug?

Charlie Stephens
Attached Images
File Type: jpg IMG_1873.jpg (35.7 KB, 34 views)
File Type: jpg IMG_1877.jpg (39.7 KB, 37 views)

Last edited by Charlie Stephens; 11-29-2019 at 07:57 PM.
Charlie Stephens is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2019, 07:55 PM   #9
Charlie Stephens
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Southern California
Posts: 7,017
Default Re: Some Questions........

I hope the copper colored brake lines are really steel as copper is not correct (and will fail) for brake lines.

Charlie Stephens
Charlie Stephens is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2019, 08:01 PM   #10
Ol' Ron
Senior Member
 
Ol' Ron's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Chester Vt
Posts: 8,840
Default Re: Some Questions........

Me Too?? I've done quite a few re plumbing of the brake lines, and they never looked that good. Want to do my roadster??
Ol' Ron is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2019, 08:08 PM   #11
Ian1932
Senior Member
 
Ian1932's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: Knoxville, TN
Posts: 317
Default Re: Some Questions........

Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Stephens View Post
I hope the copper colored brake lines are really steel as copper is not correct (and will fail) for brake lines.

Charlie Stephens
They are 1/4" NiCop made for brake lines...
Ian1932 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2019, 08:09 PM   #12
Ian1932
Senior Member
 
Ian1932's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: Knoxville, TN
Posts: 317
Default Re: Some Questions........

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ol' Ron View Post
Me Too?? I've done quite a few re plumbing of the brake lines, and they never looked that good. Want to do my roadster??
They are NiCop made for brakes, 1/4". Thanks for the compliment! I have replaced several brake lines but never build and routed them from scratch...
Ian1932 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2019, 08:21 PM   #13
Ian1932
Senior Member
 
Ian1932's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: Knoxville, TN
Posts: 317
Default Re: Some Questions........

Quote:
Originally Posted by 36rgtop View Post
Everything looks good to me.

Only question in my mind is, was the frame originally painted any other color than black?
I am aware that the colors on this car are not following what they are supposed to be...I might change that later in life though...
Ian1932 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2019, 08:23 PM   #14
tubman
Senior Member
 
tubman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Minnesota, Florida Keys
Posts: 10,259
Default Re: Some Questions........

I had to replace some rusted out brake lines on my "beater" pickup last summer. I had heard about this "NiCop" stuff, and since I had problems double-flaring regular steel lines in the past, decided to use it. It is very easy to work with, bends easily, and all four double flares I did worked the first time; no leaks! Plus, I'll never have to worry about the new lines rusting out. I am completely sold on it and will never use steel lines again. Stainless steel? Forget about it.
tubman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2019, 10:01 PM   #15
DavidG
Senior Member
 
DavidG's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: southeastern Michigan
Posts: 10,069
Default Re: Some Questions........

Nick,


Regarding your question number 4, the cowl to firewall rubber extended down to the ends of the flanges on the firewall. What is shown in your photos is a reproduction that bears little resemblance to the original and you have it backwards in your photos. The raised part is meant to be positioned forward, not rearward. Even positioned correctly I doubt that you will be pleased with it.

As for the various firewall grommets and plugs, one of the appendices of the book (A-13) is devoted to that subject. They are all pictured and their specific locations are cited.


Charlie,

Large fleet customers could (and did) specify non-standard colors, including for chassis components, for their vehicles like Lincolns of the period offered on all their vehicles. While a bit of stretch that a fleet ordered a roadster with a non-black frame, it is a theoretical possibility. Given the nature of this project, it is owner's choice and moot.
DavidG is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-30-2019, 09:29 AM   #16
TJ
Senior Member
 
TJ's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Napa,California
Posts: 6,005
Default Re: Some Questions........

This is a fun project to watch. Especially seeing a relative "newbie" working on a family project. Kudos to Ian for taking us along for the "ride" and hope it inspires others to tackle a project.
TJ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-30-2019, 10:27 AM   #17
V8 Bob
Senior Member
 
V8 Bob's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Granger (Northern) Indiana
Posts: 1,517
Default Re: Some Questions........

Brake lines should always be routed out of harms way as much as possible, and while you did a very neat job with the plumbing, the rear lines in front of the axle are vulnerable to road trash, especially with the softer Nicop, vs. steel. I agree with cas3 about splitting/running them down the inside of the radius rods, then behind the axle and up to the wheel cylinders.

Last edited by V8 Bob; 11-30-2019 at 11:42 AM.
V8 Bob is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-01-2019, 10:13 AM   #18
Kube
Senior Member
 
Kube's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Wisconsin, USA
Posts: 8,935
Default Re: Some Questions........

Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Stephens View Post
I hope the copper colored brake lines are really steel as copper is not correct (and will fail) for brake lines.

Charlie Stephens
I was thinking the same. Yikes! I was happy to see IAN did not use copper lines.
Still, I'd prefer to see the lines moved to a safer area - an area less likely to be strewn with road debris.

Of course Charlie, we will both hear from the guys that say "I've been doing it like this for years and it's been fine". Yep, a lot of guys have been doing stupid things for years and they are fine.
Rarely do you hear from a guy that admits he was stupid and "it" didn't work fine.
__________________
"I can explain it for you. However, I can't understand it for you".

Last edited by Kube; 12-01-2019 at 11:52 AM.
Kube is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-01-2019, 12:11 PM   #19
tubman
Senior Member
 
tubman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Minnesota, Florida Keys
Posts: 10,259
Default Re: Some Questions........

Welcome to the 21st century.

"NiCopp is a nickel-copper alloy brake tubing that meets SAE Standard J1047 and ISO 4038; meeting all international and U.S. requirements for brake tubing. This alloy is approximately 9.2% nickel, 1.4% iron, 0.8% manganese, and 88.6% copper. Under the UNS system, this alloy is designated as UNS C70600."
tubman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-02-2019, 07:49 AM   #20
38coop
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Cocoa Florida
Posts: 180
Default Re: Some Questions........

Nice work. I am going to use the same type of tubing when i do the brake lines on my 49 Club Coupe.
38coop is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:14 AM.