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Daniel f · 11-07-2018, 12:09 PM

I am working on a 1930's rail midget project with missing brakes. The rear drum brakes have "8181 KH" or "B181 KH" stamped on them and are 9" id. The backing plates must have been lost before I purchased the project as the car is set up for at least one rear brake.

The powertrain is all Ford (v8-60) and cut-down model A rear end with a Halibrand Culver City Quickchange - so I presume the drums are early Ford.

Can anyone identify the drum application as I need to source a backing plate and mechanical brake components?

Thanks,

Daniel

Kurt in NJ · 11-07-2018, 12:18 PM

You need to post pictures of the drums

tubman · 11-07-2018, 01:36 PM

From my experience with my dirt modified (which has an analogous power train, only full size Ford with Culver City parts), I would expect the drums to be specialized racing items. Just an educated guess on my part.

Jason in TX · 11-08-2018, 02:43 PM

Willy's Jeep had 9" drums.. with 1 3/4 brake shoes. No early fords with 9" brakes. only 11" and 12"

uses: CJ-3B/5/6 M38/M38A1

Ggmac · 11-09-2018, 06:36 AM

Willys jeep , also ford jeeps . I used a set on a old T bucket project .
I have a set of front backing plates and complete (rusty ) front axle including brakes . I may have a complete rear setup but it's in use .

Ggmac · 11-09-2018, 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Daniel f

I am working on a 1930's rail midget project with missing brakes. The rear drum brakes have "8181 KH" or "B181 KH" stamped on them and are 9" id. The backing plates must have been lost before I purchased the project as the car is set up for at least one rear brake.

The powertrain is all Ford (v8-60) and cut-down model A rear end with a Halibrand Culver City Quickchange - so I presume the drums are early Ford.

Can anyone identify the drum application as I need to source a backing plate and mechanical brake components?

Thanks,

Daniel

I just reread the post , mechanical brakes ? Mine are hydraulic .

Daniel f · 11-09-2018, 04:30 PM

Here are some pictures of the drum. The id is 9" the depth is around 2.25" There are 5 studs around 5.25" apart.

Thanks for the help.

Daniel

Daniel f · 11-09-2018, 04:34 PM

After looking at the pictures you sent, you may be right. I posted pictures below. I tried prying off the hub (red) with no luck. I was afraid of breaking it off. Any other thoughts? Thanks again - Daniel

jimTN · 11-09-2018, 05:05 PM

Definately a jeep hub and brake drum.

Ggmac · 11-09-2018, 05:56 PM

Check ww2 front jeep pictures . 4 wheel drive of course , it could be later jeep front with the manual locking hub

Ggmac · 11-09-2018, 05:58 PM

Yup , front ww2 jeep . Just google it .

11-07-2018, 12:09 PM	#1
Daniel f Junior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Michigan Posts: 23	Kelsey Hayes Drum id for midget race car I am working on a 1930's rail midget project with missing brakes. The rear drum brakes have "8181 KH" or "B181 KH" stamped on them and are 9" id. The backing plates must have been lost before I purchased the project as the car is set up for at least one rear brake. The powertrain is all Ford (v8-60) and cut-down model A rear end with a Halibrand Culver City Quickchange - so I presume the drums are early Ford. Can anyone identify the drum application as I need to source a backing plate and mechanical brake components? Thanks, Daniel

11-07-2018, 12:18 PM	#2
Kurt in NJ Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: on the Littlefield Posts: 6,159	Re: Kelsey Hayes Drum id for midget race car You need to post pictures of the drums

11-07-2018, 01:36 PM	#3
tubman Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Minnesota, Florida Keys Posts: 10,319	Re: Kelsey Hayes Drum id for midget race car From my experience with my dirt modified (which has an analogous power train, only full size Ford with Culver City parts), I would expect the drums to be specialized racing items. Just an educated guess on my part.

11-08-2018, 02:43 PM	#4
Jason in TX Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: ⓉⒺXⒶⓈ Posts: 2,047	Re: Kelsey Hayes Drum id for midget race car Willy's Jeep had 9" drums.. with 1 3/4 brake shoes. No early fords with 9" brakes. only 11" and 12" uses: CJ-3B/5/6 M38/M38A1 __________________ -------------- Drive it like you know how to fix it! DMAFC / OILERS CC-MC

11-09-2018, 06:36 AM	#5
Ggmac Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Lake worth Florida Posts: 1,100	Re: Kelsey Hayes Drum id for midget race car Willys jeep , also ford jeeps . I used a set on a old T bucket project . I have a set of front backing plates and complete (rusty ) front axle including brakes . I may have a complete rear setup but it's in use .

11-09-2018, 04:34 PM	#8
Daniel f Junior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Michigan Posts: 23	Re: Kelsey Hayes Drum id for midget race car After looking at the pictures you sent, you may be right. I posted pictures below. I tried prying off the hub (red) with no luck. I was afraid of breaking it off. Any other thoughts? Thanks again - Daniel

11-09-2018, 05:05 PM	#9
jimTN Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Powell, TN Posts: 2,509	Re: Kelsey Hayes Drum id for midget race car Definately a jeep hub and brake drum.

11-09-2018, 05:56 PM	#10
Ggmac Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Lake worth Florida Posts: 1,100	Re: Kelsey Hayes Drum id for midget race car Check ww2 front jeep pictures . 4 wheel drive of course , it could be later jeep front with the manual locking hub

11-09-2018, 05:58 PM	#11
Ggmac Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Lake worth Florida Posts: 1,100	Re: Kelsey Hayes Drum id for midget race car Yup , front ww2 jeep . Just google it .