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Let's take another couple licks at a poor dead horse:
How hard is it to use correct terminology? The latest Restorer magazine has a Convertible Sedan incorrectly referred to as an "A-400" instead of a "400-A". It also referred to Dean's A-495 as an "AR" instead of an "early 28". I can forgive the average goober for getting it wrong, but our national magazine should be held to a higher standard. j.m.h.o.......
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Volunteer your services as a proofreader. I'm just happy there is a national magazine- make that two!
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I'm going to go ahead and say that its because more people will know it as an A400 rather than a 400-A, same with AR. You could say early 28, but itll get more peoples attention if they say "AR". But like Mike said, if youre going to complain about it then volunteer next year to be the editor, and take on the hundred of hours of work per year, and make sure you make every single person happy when you do it. Because if you dont, someone will tear apart your hard work on an open forum on the internet.
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- PERFECTION is an affront to God. - Plato
- "Nit-picking" is the second cousin to the heckler. - Ogden Nash - A good public speaker adjusts his 'tone' to the audience. - Benjamin Franklin - "You can please all the people some of the time - You can please some of the people all of the time - BUT you can not please ALL of the people ALL of the time." - Abraham Lincoln __________________________________________________ _ - "'A rose by any other name is still a rose" - Anonymous - "What's in a name? That which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet." - William Shakespeare (from 'Romeo & Juliet') - "A Rose is a Rose, by any other name". - Robert Burns - "A rose by any other name would smell as sweet" - Wm. Shakespeare - "A Rose By Any Other Name" - in a song by Ronnie Milsap. - ""A rose is a rose is a rose" - in a poem by Gertrude Stein _______________________________ I say 'tomatoe' - you say 'tomato' . . . . . I say Potatoe - you say 'Potato'. - Fred Astair Any one have any confusion with where 'The Big Apple' is ? - "NYC" (New York City) ? ; "Frisco" , - 'San Francisco" ? ' The Windy City' (Chicago) ? We are not talking 'Bean Town' (Boston) here, or 'Moscow' (Idaho). I am sure some miss the quiz, but most will recognize the qulloquil names. Just like 'Model A' does not clearly identify the model as being Ford. My Duesenberg, for instance is a 'Model A'; and I know of about six other marques that have a 'Model A' designation. In fact, the FORD marque has TWO ! But we let it all 'slide' , because we get the intent in context. Last edited by DougVieyra; 08-29-2014 at 05:12 PM. |
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You are right there should be a higher level in a magazine the people depend on for information.
If an on line class (and the number of on line schools and classes are growing) said the Declaration of Independence was signed on June 4th 1776 we should shut up and volunteer to be the editor of the test book the next time? I think not.
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Some nit-pickers could also take issue with your lack of proper capitalization, subject, and articles.
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My question is who decided that the proper term is 400 A instead of a A 400? Until I came to this forum I had never heard it called that. Who are these decision makers and what makes them the authority as to what it is called?
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Some people get great joy in finding someones error no matter how small. Makes them feel that have some degree of intelligence. These people are never happy with anything.
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Todd follow the link below for body numbers assigned by Ford
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I think my wife must have put you up to that- she has tried for years to correct my sloppy email format. I have edited my original posting and hope it looks much better now. However, two wrongs do not make a right- the Restorer should still strive to get things correct. If the editor wants me to proofread, I'm available.......
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There, there,
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Chris is correct. The national magazine should be held to a higher standard as it is a reference to those wanting/needing to know what is correct. To my knowledge the editor is paid and not a volunteer so MAFCA doesn't just accept anybody. Chris is not referring to people who volunteer a post here on fordbarn or other forums. Joop is right that the A-400 is akin to a nickname which started a long time ago. I usually refer to my convertible sedan as a 400-A but casually, A-400 doesn't bother me.
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Well, sum call them Model As & sum call them A Models, whuts the BIG deal?
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Chris, if you're so attentive to detal, you should be aware the editor has had serious health problems the last several months. GROW UP and contribute something worthwhile to the forum, while keeping your self-grandising criticism to yourself.
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I was thinking the same thing
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Can't be cabin fever.........it's not winter yet!
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Must be hot outside. Have to stay inside and sit by the computer and type comments on Ford Barn.
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The nit picking is what gives Model A restorer a bad rap in the larger collector car world.
My personal love is a model a but I restore many other brands and I never ever have a Buick, Chevy, early v8 guy to name a few, come up and pick through a car like some model a guys. I am a proponent for accurate restorations as much as the next guy, but unless I am purchasing a car I never pick someones car apart or his nomenclature. So if you want to call it a 400A or A400 or a convertible sedan it is all good. |
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FWIW: One Senior Attitude.
I really don't think Chris meant to personally harm anyone, nor did anyone who commented on his post; appears what is written can always be corrected without a problem; however, over the past several years I have developed an attitude that I never had before which goes something like this: For example, yesterday it was announced that according to the latest census information gathered .............. 33% of people in the United States, (legal or illegal), are either on welfare ........ or food stamps ........... or both. Lately, when I see "working" Americans such as those trying to put a vintage vehicle magazine together which is full of detailed archaic terminology, I feel like giving them all a big hug & humbly praising them for refusing to join our newly "created" generation of "idle" welfare American Bums doing drugs, always getting into trouble, & squandering away life's contributions that we all share in helping others on forums like this one. Just one senior American's new 2014 attitude. |
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I read Ford Barn posts to learn more about Model As. This thread is "much ado about nothing".
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To answer one of the original questions posted throughout this thread, the term "A400" or "A-400" (depending upon the typesetter) originated in the late 1950's with Ed Rossig and the guy he took over for in the "A-400 Group". It was an informal special interest "club" for Convertible Sedan (Ford nomenclature: 400-A) owners. The body style number (400) was also the designation at the time for the 400 socially elite "Who's Who" in Boston (or Massachusetts?) society. "Mr. A-400" Ed Rossig was from the Boston area and thought that because the Convertible Sedan body style represented the ultimate high class body available in passenger cars by that time (Town Cars were gone), the number of the social group should be somehow transplanted to the Model A elite club. Why the "A" was transposed to the beginning instead of left at the end of the 400-A designation is something I don't recall. Ed did explain the reason in an early club newsletter, which has been re-printed in the "Restorer" over the years on occasion. The A-400 or 400-A club is still alive and well with an excellent newsletter, so it may be one of, if not THE, oldest special interest clubs within the MAFCA organization going back to 1957 or so.
I doubt that anyone will be able to stamp out the now accepted "A-400" colloquial designation for the Convertible Sedan in our lifetime. It falls more trippingly from the tongue than "400-A" and is FAR easier to say than "Convertible Sedan", which many people mistakenly try to correct the speaker by asking: "Don't you mean 'Phaeton'?" Marshall |
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SO,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,H ow's everyone doing? Beautiful day isn't it?
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That is unless you take umbrage at being called an 'average goober', and about 'beating poor dead horse'. What the heck is an 'average goober' anyway ? And , while at it, what's 'average' ? Maybe like an average goober / poster here ? And comparing the Restorer to a 'poor dead horse'. It that's how a person truly feels about the magazine ..why even bother with a beating ? The post begs for controversy ..and is getting it..facts/civility be damned. But, IMO, the disrespectful /rude posts towards another member...average goober or not...are not allowed and Cob will probably /hopefully be 'knocking' on your door ! |
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My turn to nitpick, or is it nit pick? Or maybe it's knit pick?
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Hello Chris, it's nice to see you again. I think it's great to see when real men with both brains and balls use them both at the same time. It is my opinion (only mine) that this country is headed south because so many are willing to let things 'slide' and not get engaged with what's going on. I'm proud of you!
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400-A is the correct way .. A-400 does not bother me and i joke about it A LOT... If you want really to be incorrect then say A-400 and i'll sound and look stupid when asked : That's a Deluxe Phaeton ,180A? and i'll say,, its a A-180. My past Standard Roadster now would be B-40 and not 40-B .At least the JUDGING STANDARDS has it correctly as 400-A. And please leave the tops up....I do joke about that too.... thank you forever4 for the correction,, i am selling a fully restored Mid 1931 Deluxe Coupe [45-B] for a close friend of mine and trying to work a deal for a 1930 standard roadster[40-B] at the same time for my 1935 Chevy.
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Yes it is-about 75 outside right now-no rain (rare for Portland)
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Sounds like a perfect day Fred. And I see you like black walls and whitewalls. I like your avatar.
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True Story On A Lesson for Always Using Perfect & Correct Ford Vocabulary:
After getting my Model A in 1958, an 85 year old or so gentleman riding his horse got off of his horse, looked at my car, & told me he really like my "T-Mol-A". I asked him why did he call it a "T-Mol-A". He replied that he never had an automobile; however, he had always been corrected by others because of his not knowing the difference between a Model T & a Model A; hence, when he called it a "T-Mol-A" nobody made fun of him. Pour soul ............... The "meek" will "always" inherit the Earth. |
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- "'A rose by any other name is still a rose" - Anonymous
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Thanks ZZlegen. After I took that picture (avatar), I put whitewalls on the 29 std coupe. Yes I am all messed up putting whitewalls on Std 29 coupe, what ever number it is, but who cares-I don't. We won third place with it in the Forest Grove Concours d' Elegance a few weeks ago.
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LOL,,,,,,,,I to don't go by numbers. Its either a coupe, a sedan, a roadster, a pickup etc. Life is to short to worry about numbers and spelling. Have a good day in Oregon.
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I'll just stay out of this, if it wasn't for spell check I'd be in big trouble.
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Re: minor nitpicking (again) - Restorer magazine
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I hope nobody notices Ol' Bill's BAD SPELIN'--I done been tryin' like heck to teech him right! Chief always sed, "Call me anything, as long as you call me fur SUPPER"! Bill W.
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Re: minor nitpicking (again) - Restorer magazine
I'm like ZZLEGEND, I also call them by body style and not numbers.
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2) I refuse to grow up. 3) I don't consider an expectation of accuracy to be either unreasonable or "self-grandising". (is that a real word?) 4) Nobody is required to read my postings or agree with them.......
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(Nitpicking is the act of removing nits (the eggs of lice, generally head lice) from the host's hair.
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Sincere thanks Chris for the very lively Model A discussion topic which appeared to generate lots of interest & humor in a short period. Seriously hope everybody stayed happy. My wife always tells me about how we are so lucky to have a Model A Forum with a majority of male discussions as opposed to the women dominated Dog Forum she visits. She says women don't give up during a discussion until they actually see blood dripping from those who disagree. For years she always told me that I never understand what happens when women confront to discuss matters with other women. She always tells me it gets so brutal, like "Its just a Women Thing". LOL |
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yep
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