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02-14-2013, 09:18 PM | #1 |
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New guy, old car
Hello all,
I inherited my grand father's 1935 Ford 5 window coupe recently, and I really want to get her running in time for the Lonestar Roundup in April. I believe the engine that currently resides in there is from 1940, and was rebuilt in the 70's or 80's. The car wasn't driven much after the rebuild but is in really nice shape. I'm having trouble getting the engine turned over by hand. I don't have a socket big enough to fit on the crank, so I was using a large screw driver in the "hand crank slot". I couldn't get the engine to budge. Took the plugs out and poured a little marvel oil in the cylinders and am currently waiting on the 1 7/16" socket to break the engine free. Any other advice on what to do to free the engine, i'm afraid of breaking rings. Additionally, are there any online service manuals available for this car? I know there are some for my 1952 Packard, just curious. |
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welcome to the 'Barn....great history on your car and i hope you get it running, etc. in time for the show.....Mike
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Pipe wrench and a floor jack will do the job. Love the old pic. To me the 35 is the best looking coupe.
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02-14-2013, 10:15 PM | #4 |
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Thanks guys,
My grandfather loved his '35, he worked on it in his garage well into his 80's. I only heard him start it once back in the 90's when I was really little, I remember it backfiring a lot. Don't know why it backfired so much, but I'm sure I will be learning a whole lot more about this car as time goes. |
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Welcome to the barn. MMO is good, keep adding. Put the car in high gear, and gently rock it. back and forth. Give it some time and repeat. Be patient. Like to see more pictures of it. Bruce Works good Lasts long time Last edited by cmbrucew; 02-14-2013 at 10:32 PM. Reason: spelling |
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02-14-2013, 11:08 PM | #7 |
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I'll try to get some more pics of the car tomorrow. My dad said the engine was really tight after my grandfather had it rebuilt. He said he had a hard time starting it sometimes, so that is also what is fighting me. I had to fill the cylinders on my Packard up with ATF to make sure it would turn over, but it was a high mileage engine with lots of wear. I'm hoping for the best. Pretty sure getting the right socket will do the job. Once she is freed up i'm putting thick battery cables on.
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for the price of a set of gaskets, it might be worth opening up to see under the intake, heads, etc.....if you can't get it to turn over easily.....Mike
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02-15-2013, 04:48 AM | #9 |
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Welcome to the Barn Rat... Nice 35. Ken
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02-15-2013, 06:34 AM | #10 |
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With my 32 which had been sitting, we did the oil thing and used a jack the put constant firm pressure on it and left it. In the morning it was free.
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02-15-2013, 09:08 AM | #11 |
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Do try to find a local V-8 club to help you with the car. Plus you will meet a bunch of nice guys.
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page will have alot of information on how to un-freeze and turn over your engine....try "engine froze"....your'e on the right track MM oil will work wonders, also a pipe wrench!
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Welcome to the barn!
You are in the right place for help and expertise! I also am fixing up my grandfathers old car. A '33 5w coupe. Good luck and have fun!
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Where are you located? San Antonio?
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Welcome to the barn .
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You are a lucky man to have inherited such a nice car. Welcome to the fordbarn.
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02-15-2013, 01:15 PM | #17 |
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Thanks for the warm welcomes & insight guys!
I'm letting that marvel soak in, and tomorrow I will get me a pipe wrench to loosen this engine. I'm excited about working on this '35. I have admired and feared this car for a long time. Planojc, yessir I reside in San Antonio. Glad to be here, -Garrett |
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Try rocking it in 3rd gear to see if you can get it loose.
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02-15-2013, 06:21 PM | #19 |
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Here are some more current photos...
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Hi GR
Very nice coupe. You can be proud to drive that one. Couldn't tell if it had a columbia two speed rear. Bruce Works good Lasts long time |
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I think my grandfather put in a new rear end, I remember stories of him blowing past people on the highway because of it.
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Nice get it running and drive it like that.
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Welcome to the barn-you will find a lot of knowledge here.
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02-15-2013, 10:26 PM | #24 |
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Yeah I doubt we will ever paint it up nicely, I really like the look that it has now. I don't want to cover up the the imperfections it has accrued over time. I look at it the way it is and I see my grandfather. Probably will weld in new metal panels where the body has cracked, but that is further down the road.
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02-17-2013, 11:51 PM | #25 |
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Okay the engine is un-stuck, pipe wrench did the trick! With the plugs out, the engine cranked really fast. But, when we put the plugs back in it didn't spin at all. I'm going to charge the battery a little more tomorrow, as well as clean the grounds. One thing I notice is it looks like the ground cable was changed, and it appears to be a 4 gauge wire. I know these 6v systems like thicker cables so, I'm thinking a new battery with close to 800 cca & thicker battery cables should do the job. Thoughts? Does anyone have a good source for battery cables?
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02-18-2013, 12:34 AM | #27 |
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That's the thing, it doesn't crank with the plugs in.
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02-18-2013, 12:43 AM | #28 |
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Check to see if its hitting a plug. It might be just the compression with the plugs in.
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02-18-2013, 12:48 AM | #29 |
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I'm pretty sure it's because of the compression. The engine is really tight because it wasn't driven much after it was rebuilt. I hope a change of cables and a better battery will do.
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02-18-2013, 12:52 AM | #30 |
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I bet it will be ok. Good luck with it. Does it still have the skirts that it has on in the old pic. Those cars look so good with skirts.
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02-18-2013, 01:00 AM | #31 |
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Thanks, I'm sure it will be alright too. My grandfather made those skirts, but I'm not sure where they are. Don't know if they are somewhere in his garage, or if they got stolen. If I can't find them, I'll probably try my hand at making a set.
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Your Grandfather did well picking the car's next caretaker.. You will do well with a fine car. Enjoy it and without saying I know you will always remember your Grandfather.
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The thing I learned to to check the condition of all the wiring. You might have bad connections. If the wire casing is crumbly, replace it sooner rather than later. It doesn't take much messing with it to create serious shorts.
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02-18-2013, 06:21 PM | #34 |
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Looks good !!! Reminds me of mine, real good shape also.
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Heres my 35 barn car. Went through it mechanically to make it safe and roadworthy and down the road I go. I'll leave the body just the way I found it.
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It's been a while...
I got back to work today on the '35; hadn't touched her since last spring. The oil pan being stuck was the first order of business to attend to. After moving , hoisting, and prying a few things, I found there are only two ways I can get it out. 1: Remove the front suspension. 2: Un-bolt the transmission from the engine, and hoist said engine up. The latter is the one I think I'm going to go with. The weather is nice, I have time, so I might as well use it while I've got it. Stay tuned for further updates, I'll try not to be away for so long. -GearRat |
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Looks pretty solid and complete. Congratulations and welcome!
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The oil pan can be removed with engine in place....the crankshaft needs to be in the correct orientation. I think the front counterweight needs to be facing upwards, then the pan can be lowered. Good luck, enjoy your Grandfathers car.
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Congratulations with your car. Such an charming original car. It is a piece of history (yours too). I´d say: Make it run good - but don't restore it…
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Beautiful car. Be careful putting oil in the cylinders then cranking with plugs in. You really need to have all the oil out of there because you will get a hydraulic lock if not careful. If the battery and starter are strong or you tow it you could bend a rod
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Fantastic car
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59AB is a 46-48 engine, loosen the front whishbone at the center of the frame pull down and stick a 2 x 4 on edge between them and then rotoate the crank until the front counterweights are up and it will come out. Be sure to remove starter first
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Definately a very good car! Interesting that a 46-8 (Merc?) steering wheel was put on, I'll bet that was done to increase leverage on the steering. Ground wires are important and the old solenoid or starter switch may be bad. Try jumping it to see if the engine turns any better. 35s would have had a starter switch located on the steering column.
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Welcome to the Fordbarn. You have what looks like a pretty solid car there to work with. My recommendation would also be to get it running good and safe to drive and enjoy driving it. I bought one very similar to yours two years ago. I am hoping to get it back on the road this year.
I believe most of us here enjoy helping someone like yourself get there new to them car back on the road. Good luck with your adventure!
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Yo GearRat, I'm on the NW side, out by Helotes. If I can help you with anything, send me a PM.
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This is what i'm dealing with. It looks like the only way that pan is coming off is if the engine is higher up and disconnected from the transmission. The pan is smashed right up against the flywheel and can't be pulled down, and can't go any farther forward since it's right up against the cross member. Ridiculous.
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Brings back old memories, I had 2 twins of that car back in the middle 50's. Had my 2nd one when I got married in 55. Course you could bye a lot of them back then, they were only 20yr's old. OOOH, the good old days. Walt
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I missed something..why are you taking off the oil pan?
And welcome back, I've been doing a similar thing with my 36 pickup...on again, off again, taking 3 years so far..
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When I drained the oil last year it was terrible. There was a big plug of sludge or something that delayed the oil from coming out for a couple of seconds. And the oil was super tacky, so much so that when you would try to wipe off the dipstick the paper rag would rip. So those things were very concerning. I find it to be a good practice with a car that hasn't run in a while that you are unsure about, to go ahead and drop the pan. |
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that much sludge--pull the engine and go thru it, you will wish you had if it is that bad. I have been lucky in my truck purchases lately--2 good engines, only one stuck clutch
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When I bought my `35 it had sat for over 35 years in dry storage and was never started. It was locked up tight too. I removed the plugs and squirted engine oil into the cylinders. I let it set overnight and then as JM suggested I rocked it back and forth in 3rd gear. It broke loose after several tries. However it never would start so I pulled it out and had it overhauled.
After overhaul and re-install it smoked like a freight train burning all of the oil that laid in the exhaust system... Welcome to Fordbarn! Love your coupe!
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SUCCESS!!! Finally got the oil pan off. It took me disconnecting the engine from the trans and hoisting the engine up and nearly out. On a quick glance, the inside of the oil pan doesn't appear to be as bad as I thought. Very minimal sludge compared to my '52 Packard that I did a couple of years ago. Now time to clean her out, and possibly modify her so I can inspect the clutch without having to remove the pan.
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I just came across your post. Neat car! You are so lucky to have inherited such a cool piece of family history. Welcome to the Barn! and enjoy your car.
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Yeah! Its open, good job. Your grandpa was probably looking over your shoulder guiding you with a proud grin on his face. Im sure he would be pleased with your persistence on this beautiful piece of history.
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Hi, Welcome to the Barn. That's a good looking Ford. All of the previous advice is good. The only other thing you need is a little elbow grease. RR
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That's a nice looking car!!! I'm also happy to hear your not going to paint it,their only original once. I have a 35 that looks very similar to yours,good luck with it.
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Gear Rat:
Great car, great history. It must be cool to sit in the same seat your grand dad did, and trace his life against yours all the while trying to get to know him better. There is nothing like the feel of family roots. |
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