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Old 02-02-2017, 11:19 AM   #21
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I have a 60-A in pieces with the vent door. Frame stamped 7-18-1928. Date on upper firewall is 6-26-28. No body number. Then I have what I was calling a 29 60-B. However reading here I now believe it to be a 60-A. Gas tank date 12-10-28, Body number 190-85519 and is on a thin strip with 3 tacks holding it on of what appears to copper. The motor is not correct as it is a 1930 and the car is intact so the frame number is unknown. This car was aquired by my uncle in about 1965 and titled as a 29. Aren't all the interesting facts about A's intriguing. You learn something all the time. Philip
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Old 07-27-2017, 08:24 PM   #22
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I have a 1929 60A. The body number on the tag is A608013. It was built on April 17, 1929. I have had this car since 1976. I got it from my uncle, who bought it from the original owner in 1941.It had dealer installed dual side mounts and cowl lights, all purchased by the original owner. It still has the original interior. the top has been removed because of extensive rust damage. When I got this car from my uncle, it had the same chocolate brown top on it that was on it when he bought it in 1941. I've had 1 person tell me that the top must have been replaced before 1941, because the 60A wasn't still available in April 1929. Nobody I've talked to knows when the 60A was discontinued. When I removed the top material for restoration, it was very brittle but it's always definitely been brown. It also had the correct seams and hardware and the metal rain strips down the sides appear to have never been removed. Does anyone know if indeed the 60A was still produced in April 1929? Thanks, Todd
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Old 07-28-2017, 11:12 AM   #23
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Interesting thread. It got my curiosity up so I went and checked my 60B, at least I thought it was a B & not an A. The car only has approx. 65K miles. The firewall date is 1-12-29. The # on Briggs tag on the pass. side floor 190 - 103272.
As long as there are some 60-A-B owners reading this. I have a question about the rear seam on the top. My top had been replaced at some point & the seam was carried over to the back of the drip moldings on both sides. I have seen a few leatherbacks that were this way. Two are pictured in the "Henry's Lady" book. Most just have the seam across the back and extend about 10" around to the side. I did not extend mine all the way to the trip molding which to me looks much better.
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Old 07-28-2017, 12:37 PM   #24
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My 60A has body tag # 190-43392
Engine # is A390XXX
Firewall date stamp is 9-25-28
No vent
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Old 07-28-2017, 08:54 PM   #25
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Todd, I've been doing research on these cars and I haven't come across a 60-A beyond Jan. '29. Where did the April 17, 1929 date come from? The firewall on the gas tank? Maybe the tank was replaced during the life of the car(?).

The number you list as a body number (A608013) does not match the Briggs serial number format, but it does match a Model A frame/engine number from November 1928. The Briggs body number would be on a tag nailed to the wood near the front passengers sill plate and would have the format 190-XXXX. A lot of people look right past it and don't even notice it.

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Old 07-29-2017, 09:08 AM   #26
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Interesting thread. It got my curiosity up so I went and checked my 60B, at least I thought it was a B & not an A. The car only has approx. 65K miles. The firewall date is 1-12-29. The # on Briggs tag on the pass. side floor 190 - 103272.
As long as there are some 60-A-B owners reading this. I have a question about the rear seam on the top. My top had been replaced at some point & the seam was carried over to the back of the drip moldings on both sides. I have seen a few leatherbacks that were this way. Two are pictured in the "Henry's Lady" book. Most just have the seam across the back and extend about 10" around to the side. I did not extend mine all the way to the trip molding which to me looks much better.
Throughout the years, I have been in contact with about a half a dozen 60A and B owners who have the original tops or replaced the original tops on their cars. All of them had the main seam with welting that only went across the back top edge of the body. It did not continue around the sides. Todd
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Old 07-29-2017, 09:40 AM   #27
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Todd, I've been doing research on these cars and I haven't come across a 60-A beyond Jan. '29. Where did the April 17, 1929 date come from? The firewall on the gas tank? Maybe the tank was replaced during the life of the car(?).

The number you list as a body number (A608013) does not match the Briggs serial number format, but it does match a Model A frame/engine number from November 1928. The Briggs body number would be on a tag nailed to the wood near the front passengers sill plate and would have the format 190-XXXX. A lot of people look right past it and don't even notice it.

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Hi Russ - That's an excellent group of questions. There are two screw or nail sized holes on the passenger side wood sill. I'm assuming that's where the original ID tag was. I've read a lot about this over the years and don't know why it was removed. when I got the car in '76, there was a body # tag attached to the firewall with the current ID#. Unfortunately, my uncle passed away many years ago, before I was researching this, so, I can't ask him. To the best of my knowledge, the tank is original. The engine (which is original) and the frame #'s match. They are A1410947. I went on the MARC website and one of the links showed date of manufacture pretty much dead on with the gas tank date. I don't know if, why, or when this ID number was assigned to the car. I know the firewall is not the correct place for the tag anyway. I'm now in the process of a complete restoration of the car. body is off. Found lots of hidden treasures but no original body tag. =( THANKS! Todd
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Old 07-29-2017, 10:06 AM   #28
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Russ and Steve, I have seen an early 60-A with the cowl vent that had a completely different interior dash rail and wood cross piece under the rail. It has been sold and is gone so I have no pictures or numbers. Never saw this mentioned in any literature. Are there others?
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The left picture shoes the top on my car when orig. purchased back in 08. The other picture show the way it looks now after I replaced it in 2012 and the seam does not extend around to the molding. I have seen several with the seams that extend on the sides to the drip molding. Including several pictures in the Henry's Lady book published in the early 70's.
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Old 07-30-2017, 07:58 AM   #30
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From what I was told your second picture is correct .Many top installers have trouble laying the top and cut it there so they can get it to lay flat and add the bead to hide there cut look good but not correct mine was done in 1971 wrong just like your picture on the left my top does not leak and is still in good shape so I will leave mine as is but I wish it was correct. I don't know how to post a pic on a thred but if you go threw my profile my car has pictures there
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Old 07-30-2017, 01:50 PM   #31
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The second picture does look much better.
Elizabeth from Classtique Upholstery did a demonstration for our club on installing one of these tops.
She did a beautiful job, and she stitched it the correct way, as your second picture shows.
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Old 07-30-2017, 05:57 PM   #32
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The 2nd picture is the way I did the top myself when I did it back in 2012. I helped a friend do a 60A with the correct brown top several yrs ago. His wood was not good which made the job difficult (tacks wouldn't hold). I heard the factory that provided the brown material burned a few yrs. ago & L-B was unable to get it. Another friend had to order black top & spray it brown. A fellow barner has contacted me from R. Is. and wanted some directions in installing his top on a 60A. He said he got a brown top from Classtique. I sent him lots of pictures.
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Old 07-30-2017, 06:58 PM   #33
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Russ and Steve,
My 28 Oct 28 leatherback still has the original interior, top and engine. I think I have already provided my data to Russ and Steve in the past. The car color is not original and I think the top was painted black when the car color was changed. I am the fourth owner and the car has has always been titled in NJ.. I have the original bill of sale which matches the engine number. I also added a fresh coat of black paint to the top to dress it up a little. It is obvoiusly not a high points car and never will be as long as I own it. The following link is from one of me Barn albums showing photos ot the top. I also have an ablum of interior photos. Let me know if there is anything else you would like to know or see and I'll see what I can do to accomodate your request. Http://www.fordbarn.com/forum/album.php?albumid=2055. Supergnat

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