The Ford Barn

Ron Pilger · 05-14-2018, 02:44 PM

I am aware of previous posts pertaining to using JB weld and other blends to repair corrosion on heads. Does anyone offer a new, improved repair technique or have a story (good or bad) to offer following many years and many miles. Thanks for your input.

51 MERC-CT · 05-14-2018, 04:02 PM

Most of what I see doesn't appear to be necessary for sealing purposes, is that correct, just for looks.?
Anything you put on the head where it is not entrapped by the gasket has the possibility of coming off and depositing itself in the cooling system.

petehoovie · 05-14-2018, 04:05 PM

Be sure to use a good quality composite head gasket with a good 'squish' factor....

Angledrive · 05-14-2018, 04:28 PM

Devcon Epoxy

Ron Pilger · 05-14-2018, 05:37 PM

Instinct tells me that no repair should be attempted inside the firing ring. I’ve had very good luck with all types of today’s non copper gaskets, in terms of sealing. I’m curious what Devon or JB looks like after tens years or 10,000 miles of being on the job.

Brian · 05-14-2018, 05:37 PM

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Ron, run that head as it is.

petehoovie · 05-14-2018, 06:19 PM

New original style aluminum heads are being cast by Kearney Pattern Works in San Jose, California.

See > http://www.kearneyfoundry.com/

REPLICA CASTINGS: Kearney Pattern Works & Foundry manufactures exact duplicate cylinder heads for 1933-1936 Ford V8's, as well as a finned "Hot Rod" version. We manufacture exact duplicate finned cylinder heads for V-12 Lincoln flatheads, as well as a custome 3 carburetor intake manifold. These products are commonly sold to individuals who restore cars and require the very best when entering shows.

35fordtn · 05-14-2018, 06:33 PM

As a FYI, Kearney is no longer reproducing the Aluminum heads.

petehoovie · 05-14-2018, 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 35fordtn

As a FYI, Kearney is no longer reproducing the Aluminum heads.

Didn't know that. They might have some left in stock though. I'd call them....

Art Newland · 05-14-2018, 06:48 PM

I'd try them as-is, but then again I have to do things over a lot. 8^)

russcc · 05-14-2018, 07:13 PM

"If" they actually need to be fixed, welding is the best way to go, unless the quality of the aluminum is suspect. Fordbarners can comment on that based on the year if they are original heads. For example early Eddie Meyer heads are a poor quality aluminum that is not weldable.

Ken/Alabama · 05-14-2018, 07:21 PM

Devcon or better Belzona. I work in a Papermill and I've seen Belzona used in extreme conditions with 160# steam with no problems.

VeryTangled · 05-14-2018, 10:48 PM

https://www.belzona.com/en/products/1000/1111.aspx

Says "Excellent adhesion to... aluminum."

Temperature resistance: 93°C (200°F) immersed, 200°C (392°F) dry.

The photos are impressive.

Just passing it along.

harley · 05-15-2018, 12:09 AM

I vote Belzona too. 33 years, 2 paper mills, has made a believer of me. Different formulas, different applications, get the right stuff.

RalphM · 05-15-2018, 01:39 AM

That head looks usable to me.

Ron Pilger · 05-15-2018, 08:23 AM

never heard of Belzona until now. Does the stated temp resistance data raise any concern?

whizzernick · 05-15-2018, 08:52 AM

Belzona very pricery . check e bay

51 MERC-CT · 05-15-2018, 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron Pilger

never heard of Belzona until now. Does the stated temp resistance data raise any concern?

The only thing that raises a concern to me is the price one would have to pay just to correct a cosmetic situation.

tubman · 05-15-2018, 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whizzernick

Belzona very pricery . check e bay

YIKES! At least $100. I don't care how good it is, that's overpriced.

D. Jones · 05-15-2018, 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tubman

YIKES! At least $100. I don't care how good it is, that's overpriced.

It's a matter of perspective. If you're repairing a head for an old Ford it may seem a bit expensive but, if your working to save a 10 to 50 K injection mould it's trivial.

Just an observation.

05-14-2018, 04:02 PM	#2
51 MERC-CT Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: East Hartford, Ct Posts: 5,898	Re: Aluminum head repair Most of what I see doesn't appear to be necessary for sealing purposes, is that correct, just for looks.? Anything you put on the head where it is not entrapped by the gasket has the possibility of coming off and depositing itself in the cooling system. __________________ DON'T RECALL DOING SOMETHING FOR MYSELF BASED ON SOMEONE ELSE'S LIKES OR DISLIKES Last edited by 51 MERC-CT; 05-14-2018 at 05:09 PM.

05-14-2018, 04:05 PM	#3
petehoovie Senior Member Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 8,076	Re: Aluminum head repair Be sure to use a good quality composite head gasket with a good 'squish' factor.... __________________ The only thing nice about being imperfect is the joy it brings to others.... *"Silver rings, your butt! Them's washers!"* "We shot our way out of that town for a dollar's worth of steel holes!" - from 'The Wild Bunch' - 1969 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NReUd2_0u0

05-14-2018, 04:28 PM	#4
Angledrive Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Lakeland Florida Posts: 302	Re: Aluminum head repair Devcon Epoxy

05-14-2018, 05:37 PM	#5
Ron Pilger Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Camrose, Alberta Posts: 396	Re: Aluminum head repair Instinct tells me that no repair should be attempted inside the firing ring. I’ve had very good luck with all types of today’s non copper gaskets, in terms of sealing. I’m curious what Devon or JB looks like after tens years or 10,000 miles of being on the job.

05-14-2018, 05:37 PM	#6
Brian Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Masterton, New Zealand Posts: 3,829	Re: Aluminum head repair Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Ron, run that head as it is. __________________ Unfortunately, two half wits don't make a whole wit!

05-14-2018, 06:19 PM	#7
petehoovie Senior Member Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 8,076	Re: Aluminum head repair New original style aluminum heads are being cast by Kearney Pattern Works in San Jose, California. See > http://www.kearneyfoundry.com/ REPLICA CASTINGS: Kearney Pattern Works & Foundry manufactures exact duplicate cylinder heads for 1933-1936 Ford V8's, as well as a finned "Hot Rod" version. We manufacture exact duplicate finned cylinder heads for V-12 Lincoln flatheads, as well as a custome 3 carburetor intake manifold. These products are commonly sold to individuals who restore cars and require the very best when entering shows. __________________ The only thing nice about being imperfect is the joy it brings to others.... *"Silver rings, your butt! Them's washers!"* "We shot our way out of that town for a dollar's worth of steel holes!" - from 'The Wild Bunch' - 1969 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NReUd2_0u0

05-14-2018, 06:33 PM	#8
35fordtn Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: McMinnville, TN Posts: 2,327	Re: Aluminum head repair As a FYI, Kearney is no longer reproducing the Aluminum heads.

05-14-2018, 06:48 PM	#10
Art Newland Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Lynden, WA Posts: 1,564	Re: Aluminum head repair I'd try them as-is, but then again I have to do things over a lot. 8^) __________________ "whatever works!"

05-14-2018, 07:13 PM	#11
russcc Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 2,871	Re: Aluminum head repair "If" they actually need to be fixed, welding is the best way to go, unless the quality of the aluminum is suspect. Fordbarners can comment on that based on the year if they are original heads. For example early Eddie Meyer heads are a poor quality aluminum that is not weldable.

05-14-2018, 07:21 PM	#12
Ken/Alabama Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Alabama Posts: 3,257	Re: Aluminum head repair Devcon or better Belzona. I work in a Papermill and I've seen Belzona used in extreme conditions with 160# steam with no problems.

05-14-2018, 10:48 PM	#13
VeryTangled Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: (Not far enough...) Outside of DC Posts: 3,387	Re: Aluminum head repair https://www.belzona.com/en/products/1000/1111.aspx Says "Excellent adhesion to... aluminum." Temperature resistance: 93°C (200°F) immersed, 200°C (392°F) dry. The photos are impressive. Just passing it along. __________________ -Jeff H Have you thought about supporting the Early Ford V-8 Foundation Museum?

05-15-2018, 12:09 AM	#14
harley Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Ouachita County Arkansas Posts: 59	Re: Aluminum head repair I vote Belzona too. 33 years, 2 paper mills, has made a believer of me. Different formulas, different applications, get the right stuff. __________________ people have more trouble than anybody

05-15-2018, 01:39 AM	#15
RalphM Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: North Pole, Alaska Posts: 2,651	Re: Aluminum head repair That head looks usable to me.

05-15-2018, 08:23 AM	#16
Ron Pilger Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Camrose, Alberta Posts: 396	Re: Aluminum head repair never heard of Belzona until now. Does the stated temp resistance data raise any concern?

05-15-2018, 08:52 AM	#17
whizzernick Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Hayward Ca Posts: 635	Re: Aluminum head repair Belzona very pricery . check e bay