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lrjones · 09-16-2016, 05:32 PM

I was wondering what the proper rear mounted spare tire lock is for a 1931 Coupe. I've seen some that are just a locking device on a lugnut but I can't see where those were original to a Model A. All I can find a reference to is the lock with a band on it. I've looked at the restoration standards book and the service bulletin book. Thanks for any comments.

Bob C · 09-16-2016, 06:14 PM

Service Bulletins page 267 and Standards page 16-9.

Bob

lrjones · 09-16-2016, 06:35 PM

Thanks Bob. I had seen those, so any locking device without the band is not appropriate for the Model A, to perfectly correct?

Bob C · 09-16-2016, 06:53 PM

Sounds like the locking band is only for rear mounted spares not side mount.

Bob

DougVieyra · 09-16-2016, 08:39 PM

Jones, Post #3 -

No that is not correct. There are FORD APPROVED accessories and non-Ford approved accessories. The Ford Dealer sold both. Additionally, all of the scores of other accessories sold by Western Auto, Montgomery Ward, Sears Roebuck, Auto Shops, Garages, Gas Stations, etc., etc. are ALL acceptable for application and use on the Ford Model A.

The 'crunch' comes when one is interested in building a car expressly for Fine Point Blue Ribbon judging at a MARC / MAFCA judging event. But there too non-Ford approved accessories are acceptable. The number and type is limited, so a thorough reading of the Judging Standards is necessary to sort out which, how many, and what type accessories are acceptable. The Standards are quite specific about what is allowed and what is not. But even so, there is still room for some latitude of one being able to use a number of various kinds of accessories. For example, the Lock that fits over the Lug Nut is acceptable for Fine Point judging, I believe.

marc silva · 09-16-2016, 10:24 PM

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I have one that is a nut with the flat spot and hole for a padlock. Would that be a Monkey Wards or other after market type of accessory? It was on the car when I got it.

Bill Cilker · 09-16-2016, 10:31 PM

I have a after market Fulton rear spare tire lock that locks 2 lug nuts and the valve stem on my 1930 coupe.

BILL WILLIAMSON · 09-16-2016, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill Cilker

I have a after market Fulton rear spare tire lock that locks 2 lug nuts and the valve stem on my 1930 coupe.

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DougVieyra · 09-17-2016, 01:38 AM

Marc Silva, Post #6: "I have one that is a nut with the flat spot and hole for a padlock. Would that be a Monkey Wards or other after market type of accessory?"
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Yes Marc, it was. A very nice copy of the original is being made (and most likely is what you have) today and is carried by several vendors. For example: Snyder's part # A-1012-LN - $6.75; with a caption that says: "Original equipment on all 1928-'29 Model A's with rear mounted spare."

BILL WILLIAMSON · 09-17-2016, 11:52 AM

Minerva had a band type lock that was TOO tight for the Firestone tires & left a "permanent" groove in the sidewall!
Bill W.

DougVieyra · 09-17-2016, 12:30 PM

Of course, most of us know that the Firestone tires that have been made in the last 50 or so years are noticeably over-sized, from the original specs and from those of other tire manufacturers of today. Troubles with wheel-well fitment is a primary hassle with these over-sized tires, and clearly show just how much Firestone tires are not the correct original size for the Model A.

I like Firestone tires for a number of reasons. But correct 'fitment' ain't one of them.

700rpm · 09-17-2016, 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DougVieyra

Of course, most of us know that the Firestone tires that have been made in the last 50 or so years are noticeably over-sized, from the original specs and from those of other tire manufacturers of today. Troubles with wheel-well fitment is a primary hassle with these over-sized tires, and clearly show just how much Firestone tires are not the correct original size for the Model A.

I like Firestone tires for a number of reasons. But correct 'fitment' ain't one of them.

Amen to that.

09-16-2016, 05:32 PM	#1
lrjones Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Brooklyn Michigan Posts: 53	Question About Spare Tire Lock I was wondering what the proper rear mounted spare tire lock is for a 1931 Coupe. I've seen some that are just a locking device on a lugnut but I can't see where those were original to a Model A. All I can find a reference to is the lock with a band on it. I've looked at the restoration standards book and the service bulletin book. Thanks for any comments.

09-16-2016, 06:14 PM	#2
Bob C Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: So Cal Posts: 8,747	Re: Question About Spare Tire Lock Service Bulletins page 267 and Standards page 16-9. Bob

09-16-2016, 06:53 PM	#4
Bob C Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: So Cal Posts: 8,747	Re: Question About Spare Tire Lock Sounds like the locking band is only for rear mounted spares not side mount. Bob

09-16-2016, 08:39 PM	#5
DougVieyra Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Eureka, California Posts: 1,716	Re: Question About Spare Tire Lock Jones, Post #3 - No that is not correct. There are FORD APPROVED accessories and non-Ford approved accessories. The Ford Dealer sold both. Additionally, all of the scores of other accessories sold by Western Auto, Montgomery Ward, Sears Roebuck, Auto Shops, Garages, Gas Stations, etc., etc. are ALL acceptable for application and use on the Ford Model A. The 'crunch' comes when one is interested in building a car expressly for Fine Point Blue Ribbon judging at a MARC / MAFCA judging event. But there too non-Ford approved accessories are acceptable. The number and type is limited, so a thorough reading of the Judging Standards is necessary to sort out which, how many, and what type accessories are acceptable. The Standards are quite specific about what is allowed and what is not. But even so, there is still room for some latitude of one being able to use a number of various kinds of accessories. For example, the Lock that fits over the Lug Nut is acceptable for Fine Point judging, I believe.

09-17-2016, 01:38 AM	#9
DougVieyra Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Eureka, California Posts: 1,716	Re: Question About Spare Tire Lock Marc Silva, Post #6: "I have one that is a nut with the flat spot and hole for a padlock. Would that be a Monkey Wards or other after market type of accessory?" ------------------------------------------ Yes Marc, it was. A very nice copy of the original is being made (and most likely is what you have) today and is carried by several vendors. For example: Snyder's part # A-1012-LN - $6.75; with a caption that says: "Original equipment on all 1928-'29 Model A's with rear mounted spare."

09-16-2016, 06:35 PM	#3
lrjones Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Brooklyn Michigan Posts: 53	Re: Question About Spare Tire Lock Thanks Bob. I had seen those, so any locking device without the band is not appropriate for the Model A, to perfectly correct?

09-16-2016, 10:24 PM	#6
marc silva Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: santa rosa ca Posts: 257	Re: Question About Spare Tire Lock Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) I have one that is a nut with the flat spot and hole for a padlock. Would that be a Monkey Wards or other after market type of accessory? It was on the car when I got it.

09-17-2016, 11:52 AM	#10
BILL WILLIAMSON Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: FRESNO, CA Posts: 12,560	Re: Question About Spare Tire Lock Minerva had a band type lock that was TOO tight for the Firestone tires & left a "permanent" groove in the sidewall! Bill W. __________________ "THE ASSISTANT GURU OF STUFF"

09-17-2016, 12:30 PM	#11
DougVieyra Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Eureka, California Posts: 1,716	Re: Question About Spare Tire Lock Of course, most of us know that the Firestone tires that have been made in the last 50 or so years are noticeably over-sized, from the original specs and from those of other tire manufacturers of today. Troubles with wheel-well fitment is a primary hassle with these over-sized tires, and clearly show just how much Firestone tires are not the correct original size for the Model A. I like Firestone tires for a number of reasons. But correct 'fitment' ain't one of them.