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Old 07-01-2016, 08:41 AM   #1
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Default Radiator cap vs Quail vs Motometer?????

Were they a special preference by owners or did different one's come with certain models????????????
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Old 07-01-2016, 09:02 AM   #2
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They were a Ford authorized accessory and bought at the dealership. Your choice for any Model A model.
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Just remember that the motormeter just measures the air temp above the water.
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Old 07-01-2016, 09:16 AM   #4
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on that note, how does one keep their radiator cap from being "stolen" at a show?

often wondered...................
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Just remember that the motormeter just measures the air temp above the water.
The motor-meter does not have to be in the water. Dyke's Manual explains that the temp of the air above the water will change faster than the temp of the water, thereby detecting any problem faster than if it were in water.
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Old 07-01-2016, 09:57 AM   #7
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Just remember that the motormeter just measures the air temp above the water.
This is part of the design, it is made that way so it can react fast to steam-- if the sensing element was submersed in coolant the coolant would all have to be hot, the coolant can be below boiling except for one hot spot making steam
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REMEMBER, if your temp cycles up & down at regular intervals, while cruising, YOU'RE LOW ON WATER!!!!
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This has turned out to be an 'edjamakashunul' thread for a non-mechanic like meself. I learned some things......Thanks
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Old 07-01-2016, 10:46 AM   #10
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on that note, how does one keep their radiator cap from being "stolen" at a show?

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In exactly the same way as they protect the petrol filler cap.
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Old 07-01-2016, 02:44 PM   #12
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ronn,

Two ways to keep your Moto-Meter: always keep an eye on it and/or a locking radiator cap sold by the parts vendors.

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Moto meters are protected as their caps are securely held by Allen bolts screwed into tabs that secure onto the radiator.
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Old 07-01-2016, 02:51 PM   #14
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on that note, how does one keep their radiator cap from being "stolen" at a show?

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All I do is tie this to my radiator. Works every time.
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Moto meters are protected as their caps are securely held by Allen bolts screwed into tabs that secure onto the radiator.
True but, the whole thing can twist off if one has a firm grip and strength.
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only reason I asked, hear more and more guys complain over the years about parts being stolen-especially Hershey..................

didnt know there were locking rad caps...................
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Old 07-01-2016, 06:54 PM   #17
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Even with the little tabs w Allen screws o decent grip can twist them right off..

Don't leave ur car unattended and if u must, leave it at home
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Old 07-01-2016, 08:18 PM   #18
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My 98 year old uncle always kept the mm under the seat never used it as far as I know the first thing I did when started working on car is put it on every time we get in car he says dont leave that on there some s.o.b. Is goin to steal it! I laugh and say nobody knows what it is or how to take it off! Maybe I should be more careful! He had the top stolen off his A roadster 80 years ago!
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on that note, how does one keep their radiator cap from being "stolen" at a show?

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Three methods...

1. Guard the cap
2. Distract them with a pretty face
3. Put a different cap on it that you can always replace
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Yep. I just use my beat up $1 cap. So far it has stayed in place.
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I use the motometer with wings on the "A" and flying quail on the V8, best of all worlds
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Burner31, post # 19 . . . .

It is important to note that not every 1925 Chevrolet (third photo - on right) had the Radiator Mascot as pictured - although those that did - did help Chevrolet boost sales !
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True but, the whole thing can twist off if one has a firm grip and strength.
If people go to those lengths to steal items at car shows in the USA that's yet another reason that I'm glad I don't live there.
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Even with the little tabs w Allen screws o decent grip can twist them right off..

Don't leave ur car unattended and if u must, leave it at home
How as they are not attached to a screw thread? The thermometer and wings could be screwed off but not the cap itself.
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How as they are not attached to a screw thread? The thermometer and wings could be screwed off but not the cap itself.

Those two allen screws that hold the entire cap to the radiator are not secured to the radiator. They are there to tighten the two brass tabs to the radiator. This allows the base to be twisted off.
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Moto meters are protected as their caps are securely held by Allen bolts screwed into tabs that secure onto the radiator.
A MotoMeter real or repro, to a petty sneak thief makes for a fine shiny trophy.

Always thought that locking caps (so-called) were a total joke. The MotoMeter is attached with a threaded nut. Any goober with a 5/8" wrench can twist open the cap and have the MotoMeter off with a few counter-clockwise turns. Just swapped out and exchanged MotoMeters on the 31' Ford this afternoon. Operation took perhaps three-minutes to accomplish.

As a previous poster stated . . . "Keep an eye on your car". Then too, if the vehicle is going to be parked for a time unattended, then perhaps removal of the MotoMeter might be prudent. Better the owner pull it off than some crook creep.
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I know this is an OLD thread, but thought I would ad my 2cents. Here in Nebraska, even our 2 bog cities,(Omaha and Lincoln) when I first started going to shows, I always had either myself or my wife stay with the car and our "stuff". after a while I figured out it was not necessary, as others did not. We have never had Anything taken, or even moved in years of going to shows. Of course, everybody kinda keeps an eye on everybody else stuff it seems, and the no so honest spectators don't know who belongs to which car.
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Burner31, post # 19 . . . .

It is important to note that not every 1925 Chevrolet (third photo - on right) had the Radiator Mascot as pictured - although those that did - did help Chevrolet boost sales !
cant help notice the pretty good leak under they Chevy pic!!
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The only thing I ever had stolen off my A was a Zenith 3 carb. It happened at a MAFCA National meet, and the thief took the time to replace it with a crappy Zenith 2. So I got about 10 miles out of the meet and couldn't figure why my car was running so badly, until I stopped and opened the hood. Imagine my surprise.
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The damage that those type caps do to the radiator neck just isn't worth using any of them for me. I found an original stainless steel cap on eBay that I use on our roadster , fits perfectly and doesn't leak . I like the standard look and some of the vendors now offer pretty good repro caps . The thermo quail caps never worked for me anyway and leaked under acceleration .
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Maybe one of the electrical wizards on the board could devise a way to route current through the coil in a way that would make a shocking impression on a would-be thief?
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I protect the radiator cap by taking the good one off and leaving it in the trunk, then I worried about some idiot dropping some crap into the rad, like a cigarette butt so I put on the oldest, crappiest looking cap I can find and try to park near a car fitted with a nice cap.
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On the Original 1928/29 Stanco & Jarvis Caps both Motor Meter & Quail, they both have an Allen Head set screw on the back side of it.. Unless you carry around a Allen wrench with you or the screw is lose, it cant come off.. This because the screw will not get past the threads on the radiator no matter how strong you are..
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I think all model As came new with just a radiator cap.
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Several years ago our club was running a small swap meet at the LeMay family collection and we had a dozen or so cars in a line along a exit road to the property, kinda away from the action. Someone walking out, swiped the radiator cap from one of the cars at that the far end. Only time I’ve ever heard of it. Fairly common for things to dissapear at a swap meet though. Gotta pay attention.
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The only thing I ever had stolen off my A was a Zenith 3 carb. It happened at a MAFCA National meet, and the thief took the time to replace it with a crappy Zenith 2. So I got about 10 miles out of the meet and couldn't figure why my car was running so badly, until I stopped and opened the hood. Imagine my surprise.
That really sucks. I've also had way more than my share of stuff stolen.
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Funny thing happened to me in 76.

Was parading the cast of The Sullivans around Sydney.

We stopped for lunch and I grabbed my 28 plymouth radiator winged cap and put it in my pocket and raced off to the nearest pub for lunch.

Just as i ordered a beer, a copper tapped me on the shoulder and accused me of just having stolen a radaitor cap off a car outside.

Took a bit of convincing to prove I was the owner of the car and the cap...
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Been using an original motometer for 25 years and attending shows all over the southwest. Never had an issue with the theft of personal stuff or car parts.
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I wish I had a dollar for every photo that's been taken of my "patina'd" quail every show season.
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Maybe one of the electrical wizards on the board could devise a way to route current through the coil in a way that would make a shocking impression on a would-be thief?
That's pretty easy, go to a farm supply company and buy an electric fence charger! They have their own battery you might need to have a remote switch, or you will get shocked getting in :-)
My father in law got tried of finding his truck out of gas so he hooked up a charger and the next morning he found the gas cap on the ground, no gas was removed :-)
BUT the lawyers may be busy :-(
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If people go to those lengths to steal items at car shows in the USA that's yet another reason that I'm glad I don't live there.
I've never had anything stolen at a car show, and I never worry about it.
As everyone the World over knows, all Americans are heavily armed and always pack'n.
We're all cowboys and/or gangsters you know.
I've seen lots of the World and I would live no where else but...AMERICA

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And that has got to be the number one reason for being glad that I don’t live in America. Nutters with guns who believe that they solve problems. Looking from the outside it really is bizarre.
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Same here,

I freecamp in my motorhome anywhere over here in OZ

I would like to do the same in USA, but I don't think I could sleep at night.
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I run stock radiator & gas cap to relieve the temptation to steal .
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And that has got to be the number one reason for being glad that I don’t live in America. Nutters with guns who believe that they solve problems. Looking from the outside it really is bizarre.
I guess you forgot what our guns did for your country!...Twice!
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Please, stay outside
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I freecamp in my motorhome anywhere over here in OZ

I would like to do the same in USA, but I don't think I could sleep at night.
Funny thing is that there are MANY on this side of the pond that feel just as uncomfortable with the thought of "freecamping" in OZ due to all the venomous critters, snakes and spiders and the like, that are literally EVERYWHERE, according to reports we hear. Interesting what perceptions are about another country when all you know is what you are told in the media from fear mongers eh?.
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Old 01-02-2018, 09:15 PM   #49
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