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Old 10-10-2011, 05:18 PM   #1
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Hi,
any idea about these 3 holes on the right side of a MODEL A 28 RHD frame ?

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Old 10-10-2011, 05:26 PM   #2
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Default Re: Holes on the right side of a rhd model a

Very early--early emergency brake handle mount. Does it have the same holes on
the other side?

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Old 10-10-2011, 06:48 PM   #3
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Default Re: Holes on the right side of a rhd model a

Hi Mr Dudley,
tks for your reply.
I thought that I already have the emergency hand mount.
Please see the attached photo.
If it isn't, what is this ?

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Old 10-10-2011, 07:20 PM   #4
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Default Re: Holes on the right side of a rhd model a

Charlie,

The 3 holes are for the e-brake handle on the the right hand kick panel ( first
picture ). The second photo is for the e-brakes rods to the rear end. You MAY have
mismatched parts on your car. Post some more photos, rear brakes, transmission,
under the center cross member. What is the frame number? Your car could be a
transition car, some time around 6-28 ? More photos! And NO "Mr." here.
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Old 10-10-2011, 08:24 PM   #5
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Hi D.J.
here is a photo of the gas tank data.This is the only I can give you, because the frame stamped number practically desapeared .

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I will post more frame photos of rear brakes, transmission, etc.
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Old 10-10-2011, 08:27 PM   #6
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here is a photo of the rear frame .

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Old 10-11-2011, 01:28 AM   #7
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The holes are for the early hand brake, they could possibly be a carry over when an intermediate setup was used. The intermediate used the split early style foot brake cross shafts, but the seperate hand brake cross shaft. It is mentioned in the service bulletins. The dimples in the centre cross member were stamped until Mar 29 according to my RHD judging standards, and the split foot brake shafts used until Mar 29 and the seperate hand brake shaft was introduced in Oct 28. So if your RHD car was built between Oct 28 and Mar 29 then it will have the split footbrake cross shafts and a seperate hand brake shaft. Hope this info helps.
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Old 10-11-2011, 08:05 AM   #8
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Hi Dave,
tks for your comments.
The only data I have is staped on the firewall : 7-19-28
Do you have a chance to post photos of the :
SPLIT FOOTBRAKE CROSS SHAFT and the
SEPARATE HAND BRAKE SHAFT ?
With out photos I'm really lost about how must be the correct things.
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Old 10-11-2011, 09:44 AM   #9
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Charlie,

The photos posted by RHD(Les) on your other post " should " be very close
to your car. Some of the parts should interchangeable with the LHD. I would
think the part that hangs off the center cross member( were the dimples are ),
is RHD ONLY.
The Gent's from down under ( right hand drive group ) know.

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Old 10-11-2011, 10:00 AM   #10
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Greetings, Charlie, Dave and Dudley. I'm Ed, from Australia.
I am working on an friend's A chassis at the moment with the engine no. corresponding to 1929 numbers and it also has the separate handbrake shaft with the split foot shaft system. I was interested to learn that this was the intermediate set up (Thanks Dave) as I had only ever seen a one piece cross-shaft set up before (on my 31 LHD american chassis).

I too would be interested to know more about the two piece cross shaft set up. The long brake rods that actually go out to each brake drum do not seem to have clevis adjusters on the ends anywhere. (They may have been cobbled together as a farm-fix) whereas my 31 American LHD chassis (with the solid, one piece footbrake shaft) has adjustable ends on each of them. I am wondering if the compensator fulcrum (dogbone) was supposed to take intro account the differences in adjustment entirely.

By the way, Charlie. I will see this chassis again in a few days and I can take some photos if no one else comes up with any beforehand.

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Old 10-11-2011, 10:23 AM   #11
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I have just seen a thread called early brakes that has photo's of the parts laid out, a seperate photo is on there of the dog-bone
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Old 10-11-2011, 02:51 PM   #12
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The non adjustable rods were used from Oct 28 to mid 29 on RHD cars. All the info I'm giving is from the Australian judging standards and have different dates for changes compared to the US judging standards.
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Old 10-11-2011, 03:00 PM   #13
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HI: the holes are for the spare tire mount there might be or should be another hole on the other side not for sure on that one. I have the same holes in my frame but my frame is not a right hand drive car or a 28 my frame is a late 31 frame if u look in the restoration book or any book on the frames it will tell u the same thing I just told u. Good luck reggiedog
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Old 10-11-2011, 03:05 PM   #14
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Default Re: Holes on the right side of a rhd model a

Hi Ed,
many thanks for your reply.
I will wait for your photos.
NOTE : WE COULD START A SUB-GROUP RHD MODEL A into the MODEL A (1928-31) Forum..............
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Old 10-11-2011, 03:11 PM   #15
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Hi Reggiedog,
the 3 holes (same diammeter) for the spare tire mount, are on the right side of the frame too.
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The other 3 holes I'm asking for are also on the right side, but one of them is bigger than the other 2 (see the first photo of this post).
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Old 10-11-2011, 03:39 PM   #16
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Default Re: Holes on the right side of a rhd model a

Quote:
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The non adjustable rods were used from Oct 28 to mid 29 on RHD cars. All the info I'm giving is from the Australian judging standards and have different dates for changes compared to the US judging standards.
My june 28 has non adjustable rods.
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Dave,

Great, your Australian Standards are just what Charlie needs, I believe.

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Old 10-12-2011, 12:55 AM   #18
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Pooch, there is a caveat at the start of the judging standards about dates.

"Obviously a tolerance of several months on this nominatedmanufacture date must be allowed because of the difficulty in determining accurately when a particular part was changed. Assembly plants did not make a parts changeover on the same day as indicated in the service bulletins and it would be delayed in most cases until existing stocks of parts were used up, particularly in remote plants such as Geelong."

Are you coming down to Bendigo this year?
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hey there charlie. I will try to take some photos tomorrow. There certainly are a lot of right hand drive As out there.
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Ed,
many thanks for your comments.
I think that a photo speaks more than thousand words !!!!
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Old 10-14-2011, 09:03 PM   #21
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Here are photos starting at the brake pedal: The rod is adjustable at the pedal. This actuates a main rod inside the crossmember. The main rod has a fork on it that holds the midle of a dog bone (a ball joint is in the middle) The dog bone is the equalizer that actuates the two brake rods. These are anchored at the inner end by ball joints moulded into the rear of the transmission.
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Old 10-14-2011, 09:11 PM   #22
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Hey there Charlie, I'm not sure if I included the photo of the left hand side arm coming out of the transmission ball joint cup before but here is one. Also some handbrake photos. I'm sorry they're not better but, as I said, there are some photos of the equalizer system rods on another thread about early brakes. Cheers - Ed
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Re previous posts regarding Australian RHD's & Charlies RHD in Argentina.
Australia used Canadian RHD chassis whereas Sth America received USA RHD vehicles.
There would probably be time differences in production changes between the two sources. Also, Australia was a manufacturing setup & may well have carried on using early componants due to low production & market dictates, eg. Australia continued using '28 '29 style AAC [Canadian heavy chassis] trucks thru to 1932.
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Old 10-15-2011, 08:55 AM   #24
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Hi Ed,
incredible photos !!!!!!!! Many thanks !
I don't know if now, know more about RHD Model A or I'm more confused

Seriously, many thanks !!!!!!!!
I guess I will ask for more photos.
Please contact me at [email protected] so we could discuss more about our RHD vehicles.
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Old 10-18-2011, 07:34 AM   #25
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I'll post some photos when the build progresses, Charlie- cheers -Ed
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