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10-24-2020, 11:15 AM | #1 |
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1940 Brake Bleeding
Got everything reassembled and I have filled the new master about 20 times and still no hard pedal. Using speed bleeders. Does it normally take this long to get a firm pedal ? Am I doing something wrong ?
I only replaced the front cylinders and shoes. Thx....Mike |
10-24-2020, 11:41 AM | #2 | |
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Did you have a good pedal prior to replacing the shoes and cylinders? If so, we can pretty much eliminate a defective master. You must start at the right - rear cylinder. Bleed that and move to the left - rear. Then the right - front and finally the left - front. Be 100% certain the master NEVER runs low. If it does, you will instantly introduce air in to the system. Speed bleeders? If the method I'd just described does not work, I'd suggest you remove the speed bleeders and get a helper to manipulate the brake pedal. Pump the pedal at a "normal" pace about five or six times and HOLD it down until you have opened and subsequently closed the bleeder. Check fluid in master and top off as necessary. Repeat.
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10-24-2020, 11:45 AM | #3 |
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Re: 1940 Brake Bleeding
Did you bleed all 4 wheel cylinders? Look up previous threads on this subject.
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10-24-2020, 11:51 AM | #4 |
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It looks like Kube replied ahead of me. Follow his advice.
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10-24-2020, 12:31 PM | #5 | |
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Is the pedal to master cylinder rod correctly adjusted?
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10-24-2020, 12:53 PM | #6 |
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10-24-2020, 01:21 PM | #7 |
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Re: 1940 Brake Bleeding
Mike: Are you using the correct procedure for bleeding all for wheels? Yes, you do shut off each speed bleeder each time you fill the master cylinder and Yes, you must bleed the brakes with the drums on the car and brake shoes adjusted so the shoes are not retracted far away from the drums .
Too far away and the shoes will not give any resistance to pedal pressure. That's the way I do it. In fact, I adjust the brakes BEFORE I bleed them to avoid this problem. As you may know, you do them in this order: LR, RR,LF, RF. Here is a helpful video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VMV51FUA7A Here's what the Speed Bleeder folks say: http://www.russellperformance.com/mc/speed-bleeders/ |
10-24-2020, 01:23 PM | #8 | |
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That is, slow pump to get fluid in the catch can. Then close the bleeder and then proceed to next line and do the same. Fill the master as required. ( I supect that you never closed the bleeders)
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10-24-2020, 01:47 PM | #9 |
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Re: 1940 Brake Bleeding
You can't bleed brakes with the drum off, so that would be a place to start. There is nothing for the brake shoes to push against.
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10-24-2020, 02:00 PM | #10 | |
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The return springs are sufficient. Wonder how one manages to bench bleed master cylinders without brake shoes. |
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10-24-2020, 02:11 PM | #11 | |
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I believe my quote is perhaps the best way I am able to respond...
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10-24-2020, 02:43 PM | #12 |
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Okay back to square one. No I didn’t put on a drum. No I didn’t start at the rear. No I didn’t shut off speed bleeder after each time I filled the master. Will do going forward.
I’m going to have a Jack Daniels and start all over in morning. Thx........Mike |
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10-24-2020, 03:55 PM | #14 |
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Mike, wish you were my neighbor.
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10-24-2020, 04:16 PM | #15 |
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You are a twisted man!
Seriously though...you and I would have fun
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10-24-2020, 05:42 PM | #16 |
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Jack and I have been good buddies for about 40 years ! Some guys see a shrink......but I have him to talk too. Works for me !
I’ll be in the barn in the morning getting back into it. Thx.....Mike |
10-24-2020, 05:58 PM | #17 |
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Ok, I will modify my post. I have never attempted to bleed brakes without the drums on and the way I bleed them it would not work. I put a lot of pressure on the brake pedal, and thus the hydraulics, and it would over power the return springs.
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10-25-2020, 02:19 AM | #18 |
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I BELIEVE Jim was referring to "mike42", as HE had the "Jack", Jack! You just do that ol' Korbel Kool-Aid!
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Another thing that anyone bleeding brakes should be aware of is NOT to stroke the pedal such that the piston bottoms-out in the MC. Bench bleeding has NOTHING to do with brake shoes. The process is intended ONLY to completely void the circuitry within the MC of any air. DD |
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