'36 Greyhound ??

[TagMan]

An elderly friend of mine gave me this Greyhound hood ornament which he said was on a '36 Ford. I believe it's an aftermarket piece, as I don't think Ford offered a Greyhound in '36. The Patent number on it is 2026779, which would place the issue date as 1937 or '38.

Anybody have any info on it?

Thanks,
-Bob
36Greyhound1 by TagMan, on Flickr


36Greyhound2 by TagMan, on Flickr

[petehoovie]

You are correct in that the ornament you have is an aftermarket piece for the 1936 Model Year. Ford offered the Greyhound Hood ornament for the 1934 Model Year only....Just that one year....

[Brian]

Ford offered the Greyhound Hood ornament for the 1934 Model Year only....Just that one year....

I have seen 36 Ford publication showing Genuine Ford approved accessories for 1936, which includes a greyhound!

[petehoovie]

Originally Posted by Brian

Ford offered the Greyhound Hood ornament for the 1934 Model Year only....Just that one year....

I have seen 36 Ford publication showing Genuine Ford approved accessories for 1936, which includes a greyhound!

Don't believe everything you see and read in Communist publications....Especially, avoid PRAVDA - they invented 'Fake News'....

[DavidG]

There's an old thread on this topic. A greyhound hood ornament was released by Ford of Canada for its '36 deluxe body types which would explain the New Zealand connection as Ford New Zealand was a Ford of Canada subsidiary at that time. It was basically the aftermarket version without a free-standing tail, unlike the '34 version (and all of the Lincoln versions).

[Brian]

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It was basically the aftermarket version without a free-standing tail, unlike the '34 version (and all of the Lincoln versions).

This is true...however; WHICH aftermarket version did Ford see fit to approve as a genuine Ford approved accessory for 1936 ford?

[drolston]

The '35 coupe I bought from an original owner for $95 in 1958 was dead stock and had the greyhound. I am sure the frugal and very conservative gentleman that owned it did not pay for any fancy extra aftermarket embellishments. Could the dealer have added it, based on the popularity of the '34?

[petehoovie]

Originally Posted by DavidG

There's an old thread on this topic. A greyhound hood ornament was released by Ford of Canada for its '36 deluxe body types which would explain the New Zealand connection as Ford New Zealand was a Ford of Canada subsidiary at that time. It was basically the aftermarket version without a free-standing tail, unlike the '34 version (and all of the Lincoln versions).

Did Ford issue a Ford Part Number for the Canadian Greyhound as they did for the '34 Greyhound ornament or is it that they just authorized the use of the aftermarket version?....

[DavidG]

Hopefully Don Rogers will join in as he has a FOC publication showing the greyhound. It is highly likely that a part number existed for it with 68C prefix.

[petehoovie]

This, from Lorin Sorensen's FORD LIFE Magazine, Volume Three, Number Two, 1973:

Page 34 - "That was was the only year (1934) that a Greyhound radiator ornament was ever officially produced for the Ford car although other manufacturers made and sold variations for that year and others, outside Ford Motor Company authority."

Page 35 - Referring to the 1935-36 Model Year - "Evidently, Dearborn brass decided that the greyhound was no longer justifiable on a Ford since the radiator cap was now placed under the hood. Consequently, the plans to produce them were scraped." and "Stant Manufacturing Company went out on their own to market a greyhound radiator ornament for the 1935-36 Fords with approval from Ford."

Page 37 - "One of the few items we (Stant) put on the market ourselves, in those days, was the1935-36 Ford greyhound ornament. When Ford decided not to have us produce it for them, we advertised it and sold it to wholesalers and jobbers. I don't know the details, but Ford must have had some agreement with us or we wouldn't have made them on our own. We just wouldn't have done it." - Glen Johnson - Stant Employee

[Don Rogers]

Here is a photo from the Ford Archives when they were considering having a greyhound as a Ford accessory. They never approved it for 35 or 36 here in the U.S., but released it in mid-36 in Canada. It appears that the original 35 prototype and final 36 version were made by Stant for Ford.

[DavidG]

Thanks, Don.

Below is the illustration that you posted on an earlier thread on this subject which includes a maple leaf in the lower right hand corner for the doubting Thomases.

With all due respect to Lorin Sorensen (RIP) and Glen Johnson, former Stant employee, it is sometimes easy to forget that Ford had significant operations outside of the U.S. commencing in 1904 and that those non-U.S. operations sometimes went their own way (recalling that Henry Ford did not own a majority of Ford of Canada's shares at that time).

In addition to the greyhound, note the hand brake extension handle and the horns, neither of which were released by Ford in the U.S.

[RalphM]

Interesting!
That is a neat option for the hand brake, never seen one before!

[billbob412]

I have a grayhound that i bought from Don Sommers about 25 year's ago.it has a free standing tail and is made of stainless steel.He said he made them from an original stant one .He said to me "Do you know how to tell mine from an original' I said no! he said"Grab it by the tail if it breaks off it is original" I have a late 36 Club Cabriolet and it looks like it belongs on it.

[petehoovie]

Originally Posted by Don Rogers

Here is a photo from the Ford Archives when they were considering having a greyhound as a Ford accessory. They never approved it for 35 or 36 here in the U.S., but released it in mid-36 in Canada. It appears that the original 35 prototype and final 36 version were made by Stant for Ford.

Is there an official Ford Canada part number for their 1936 dog? One would think that to be an official Ford authorized accessory it would have a Ford part number similar to the part number the '34 dog was given (40-18385) by Ford here in the states.

If he wants to get picky, 'TagMan' might want to find out if the dog he was given is Canadian. After all, New York is not that far from Canada....

[Brian]

The photo of the 35 dog that Don posted is the greyhound version made by 'Fulton'.

[petehoovie]

Originally Posted by Brian

The photo of the 35 dog that Don posted is the greyhound version made by 'Fulton'.

"Fulton"? Who the hell is Fulton? Aftermarket or Ford authorized? Ford Part Number?

[Brian]

Fulton was an aftermarket manufacturer of auto accessories. Amongst accessories made by them that I have seen is; the above greyhound, handbrake extension, similar in operation to the one pictured in Don's post, gas pedal, external sunvisor [1950's]. Also...1934 Chevs had a 'flying bird' type radiator cap; Fulton's version was a flying seahorse with wings!!

[KiWinUS]

Fulton also made the”Fulton Feather “ hood trim for the 36 Ford

[TagMan]

I was working in my shop, when all of a sudden it hit me - why not try googling the Greyhound's patent date? So I did and got one of the drawings (below) with a copy of the intro to the patent description. Mystery solved!

Thanks for all of your input.

Patent Drawing - '36 Greyhound by TagMan, on Flickr


Jan. 7, 1936. s. FAlTl-l ET A1.
. AUTOMOBILE ACCESSORY Filed May 9, 1935 23 [5%.: /7 I lilium l Wl N/ Patented Jan. 7, 1936 UNITED STATES PATENT OFFICE Ill., assignors to Faith a corporation of Illinois Mfg. Co., Chicago, Ill.,
Application May 9, 1935, Serial No. 20,580 1 Claim. (ci. 248-205) 'I'his invention relates in general to automobile accessories and more particularly to a distinctive ornament or decorative accessory adapted to be readily attached to the existing ornament provided on the radiator shell of a well-known make of car.
A principal object of the invention is the provision of a distinctive ornament which may be quickly and easily attached to the common or standard ornament with which4 the radiator shell of the automobile -is equipped, using the standard ornament as a base or support therefor, which is peculiarly adapted to t over the particular standard ornament, and is so secured thereto as to prevent ready detachment thereof."

[TagMan]

OOps - Sorry for the HUGE size of the drawing. I didn't think it would turn out full size.

[petehoovie]

Well, it certainly is not a Canadian Ford part....Apparently, Stant never applied for a patent for their '36 dog. Do we have a case of patent infringement by Stant in the manufacture of their '36 greyhound?....

So, can it be said that the Canadian Fords were equipped with an aftermarket greyhound in 1936?

[Brian]

Tagman, Is that the 'Stant' greyhound for 1935? Or some other manufacturer?

[Brian]

Tagman, the patent pictures you show of 1935 greyhound resemble closely the photos of your 36 version at beginning of this thread. So, possibly is Stant brand...
The photos of literature posted by Don, that show 36 greyhound; that greyhound is completely different. It resembles the Fulton 1935 style. So possibly is Fulton brand...
And the repop 35 greyhound, currently on my 35 differs again...
Just how many manufacturers of greyhounds were there?

[33rds]

I have two gryhounds. One I think is a Don Summer reproduction of the Canadian dog. The other I think is the real one that Ford Canada sold. What do you think?
Both have free standing tails

[deuce lover]

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The way I can tell if made by Don Sommer is that the ribs are cut in on Sommer's.The others are moulded with the raised ribs

[33rds]

Yes, the ribs are cut on this. and the whole dog is a littel smaller than the ginuine one.
Assume it depends on the shrinkage after the casting?

[billbob412]

The obvious difference besides the ribs is one is made of stainless steel and is probably in better shape. i know i take pretty good care of mine,I can still remember paying for it.

[Don Rogers]

Here are just a few of the unofficial greyhound producers in 1935 thru 1936

[Brian]

Thank you Don...I must amend my previous post; What I called Fulton, was meant to be Franklin

[TagMan]

Originally Posted by Brian

Tagman, Is that the 'Stant' greyhound for 1935? Or some other manufacturer?

Brian, the Greyhound I have (in the photo) is the same as the Patent drawing. I found the drawing with the aid of the patent number on the my Greyhound. No idea if it's "Stant" or not.



I went back to the Patent application and found I hadn't read or copied the most important part - the Manufacturer! Here's the missing part of the Patent application:

"AUTOMOBILE ACCESSORY Filed May 9, 1935 23 [5%.: /7 I lilium l Wl N/ Patented Jan. 7, 1936 UNITED STATES PATENT OFFICE Ill., assignors to Faith a corporation of Illinois Mfg. Co., Chicago, Ill.,"

So, mystery solved - my Greyhound was made by the Illinois Mfg. Co. The name "Faith" in the heading, was the name of either a designer or executive, as the patent application was signed by a "Stephen Faith". I believe patents have to be applied for in a person's name, not a company's name.

Now I know who manufactured the Greyhound, but now I'd like to find out who MARKETED it.

[DavidG]

Not Stant as they were/are in Indiana.

[koates]

[QUOTE=DavidG;1602077]Thanks, Don.

Below is the illustration that you posted on an earlier thread on this subject which includes a maple leaf in the lower right hand corner for the doubting Thomases.

I have noted that maple leaf emblem on the corner of the brochure. But is that symbol related to The Ford Motor Company Of Canada ?? or just the printers trade mark. May I suggest that this brochure was printed up by one Ford dealer or a group of dealers in an effort to increase sales by fitting up these 1936 Fords with a number of aftermarket accessories to make them more attractive to buyers. My wild guess is that the brochure is not from Ford Canada. Am I incorrect ? David is there some way we can have a closer look at that brochure ? I have searched though quite a number of Ford parts books 1928 to 38 and only found the 1934 Ford greyhound listed along with the chain lock also listed as a separate part. Several of my books are Canada & Australia. I still don't think Ford Motor Company Of Canada ever authorised or sold as an accessory a 1936 Ford greyhound......Regards, Kevin.

[DavidG]

Kevin,

I'm away from my '35 and '36 Canadian chassis parts catalogues at present and therefore cannot refer to them at this time.

I do not have the two pieces that Don and I have posted as they are his. The mark that you refer to appears on a lot of Ford of Canada literature and I'm satisfied that both pieces are of the Company and not of the dealer body on their own. I think you do not understand the relationship between Ford and its dealers during the period in question. It would be unheard of for the dealers to put those folders together without Ford of Canada's blessing if for no other reason than the warranty implications to the Company of the dealers selling something under the Ford name. To this day, unlike in the U.S. and perhaps elsewhere such as Australia, a Canadian Ford dealer can only be a Ford dealer and not a dealer of brands A, B, and C along with Ford. The franchise agreement is exclusive.

Lastly, if it turns out that there is no part number for any of those unique offerings in the Canadian catalogues, it would not change my opinion as the catalogues are full of errors of omission and commission. Further, a spring-time promotion such as is likely the case herein could very well be covered by a separate communication announcing it to the dealers on a one-time basis. Examples of those abound both in Canada and the U.S.

[Don Rogers]

Kevin, This mid year brochure was from Ford of Canada. I have included an image of the back page of the brochure showing both the maple leaf and the declaration from Ford of Canada.

I also have the mid year piece published by Ford U.S. Both pieces were published to promote the mid 36 improvements to the Ford line and each included additional accessories to help promote the line.

[petehoovie]

Originally Posted by DavidG

Kevin, Lastly, if it turns out that there is no part number for any of those unique offerings in the Canadian catalogues, it would not change my opinion as the catalogues are full of errors of omission and commission.

David - Can you expound on this statement?

[koates]

David & Don, thanks for your explanations on my (incorrect) theory re the 1936 Canada Ford brochure. Don has proved with his close up pics that it is indeed a company brochure. As to the ID of the greyhound we need some more research it appears. Very interesting subject. Regards, Kevin.

[dean333]

Ok here’s what’s on my 36. Just broke the right leg crashing through a gate at my housing complex due to a brake failure. Patent #2026779

[Kens 36]

Faith Manufacturing Co, Chicago.