Has Anyone Installed Cartouche Seat Covers?

[rmak]

I just stopped by the local upholsterer and got a price on having my interior done. $2,500! I am thinking about going with plan 'B' until I hit the lottery.

I got a brown side cover kit with the car that will cover the doors and front and back panels. I don't know anything about this stuff, but the panels don't look that hard to fit on.

I called Snyders today and found that they have a brown cover to go over the seat springs. I was just wondering if anyone here has gone that route. How hard is it and can an amateur like me do it without screwing up too badly? How do you hook the seat covers on?

Also, any hints on installing that door and panel set would be appreciated too.

[Tom Wesenberg]

What year and body style?

[rmak]

29 roadster. The previous owner had the springs re-done.

[BRENT in 10-uh-C]

Define "screw it up".

If you are concerned about it looking somewhat even within a mile or two of looking authentic, IMHO you are making a mistake going with Cartouche. The same mindset applies to quality. IMHO, Cartouche looks cheap because it is!!

Also understand that none of the trim scheme combos available in kit form from anyone are authentic. If you think you want just want to cover a seat, then consider finding a different trim shop that will sew you what you like and then you install it. The reason that the local shop you checked with was probably higher is because of the quality of the materials they use.

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[5window]

Originally Posted by BRENT in 10-uh-C

Define "screw it up".

If you are concerned about it looking somewhat even within a mile or two of looking authentic, IMHO you are making a mistake going with Cartouche. The same mindset applies to quality. IMHO, Cartouche looks cheap because it is!!

Also understand that none of the trim scheme combos available in kit form from anyone are authentic. If you think you want just want to cover a seat, then consider finding a different trim shop that will sew you what you like and then you install it. The reason that the local shop you checked with was probably higher is because of the quality of the materials they use.

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No doubt, all of that is true. OTOH, it doesn't make a lot of sense to put a $2500 interior into a $12-15000 Model A. So, what is a good alternative for the Model A enthusiast that is wanting a"nice" or serviceable, but doesn't have interior skills or a really big budget?

[rmak]

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Originally Posted by 5window

No doubt, all of that is true. OTOH, it doesn't make a lot of sense to put a $2500 interior into a $12-15000 Model A. So, what is a good alternative for the Model A enthusiast that is wanting a"nice" or serviceable, but doesn't have interior skills or a really big budget?

Thank you. There are thousands of things I could do to this car that would make it better. Each one costs a pretty penny. It would be nice to have a workable seat so I could drive the car and have fun while making improvements over the years. I'm a regular working guy with a family. I don't plan on making a museum piece at the expense of other things in my life.

Anyone have a photo of one of those cheap interiors installed?

[CWPASADENA]

I just finished the interior in my Tudor. I had never done this type of interior before and I am sure a professional could have done it faster and quicker but I am very pleased how it came out. I got a kit from Lebaron Bonney and read the instructions several times before I started. I like the idea of trying to do as much as possable on my cars. It gives me a lot of satisfaction and also allows me to streatch the money I have to devote to a project.

I would consider buying the seat covering kits and give it a try.

Chris

[700rpm]

I used Cartouche in my 30 PU. It's serviceable for a driver, which is what my truck is, though the spring action wore through in the lower driver's corner of the seat in less than a year. That could have been an error on my part in installation, but the material overall is pretty thin. A roadster installation would probably be similar, so I don't think it would be difficult for you. My seat covers are held on with hog rings. Cartouche (and L-B as well) provide good instructions and the special pliers and rings and other stuff you need. I'd say go for it. You'll feel better having done it yourself. Also, you don't have to plump for the whole interior kit. Just buy the seat covers for now if that's all you need. Save up some more dough, then get the door and kick panels.

[Brentwood Bob]

run an ad for an upholstered seat, see what pops up. I found a seat for my 31 ccpu in new york state, Most of the cost was in the shipping. Bob

[Model A Man]

If there is a trade school where you live, check and see if they have a upholstery class. 1) you could take the class or 2) you could see how much the students/school would charge to upholster the roadster

[BRENT in 10-uh-C]

Actually, the open car seat covers are not held on with hog rings. They are supposed to be crimped into the lower band of the seat cushion.

The second part I am having difficulty in grasping is the $2,500 figure. Do you feel this is outrageous? Did you shop around and compare pricing? That may be what the going price is in your area based on labor rates.

As you will soon find out, there is a lot of time to accurately install an interior kit. Heck it takes a lot of time to install it unauthentically! The truth of the matter is you are gonna find that there is a lotta time involved in installing an entire kit by the time you install all the pieces in that puzzle. It is kinda like buying a taylored suit vs. one "off the rack". There is also many tricks that experienced trimmers know and it just takes time studying & trial & error to get a good job. I can easily see you having 40+ hours in installing the kit. AND, that will not count "re-do" time either. Not to pick on Chris' picture above but myguess is there is at least one thing that he would probably do different next time if he could do it again. It appears he did not tie the cushion springs (or if he did, he didn't do them enough) as it appears the seat will not fold forward properly to allow passenger egress to the back seat. Also, compare to the photo below that shows the proper location for the piping. Again, these are minor installation details and he did a remarkable job but my point is that he would probably do many things differently if he had done several jobs and had that experience to fall back on. THAT is what you are paying for when you have it done professionally. While some of y'all may not view it that way, paying $2,500 (even on a $10,000 car) is not that expensive when you realize what is involved.

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[5window]

Brent, I agree with all you said,and I am not trying to be argumentative,just thinking "out loud". I have no doubt that a professional would do a better job. (I'm a vet and while i am pretty sure you could spay your dog at home, with 23 years of experience, I think I could do a better job.)

I also don't think $2500 is excessive for a good quality well done interior. I don't doubt that a show quality interior would cost considerably more than that. But, I think that there are quite a few Model A owners who aren't looking for show quality, but "good, serviceable and enjoyable", who maybe aren't comfortable with your level of investment in a car that's really a hobby rather than an obsession and who maybe have more time than money to invest in the project.

I think Cartouche and L-B have recognized and tried to address that market. If you don't like those options, what can be done?

[Gumpy]

Cw---beautiful job with the job you did-----very nice

[Richard Wilson]

From the HOBBIEST point of view..........after having installed six assorted interiors and a similar number of tops, I think you would have a good experience installing your own roadster upholstery. On the plus side of doing it yourself, I would guess that less than 5% of the people that would ever look at your roadster could even tell if you did the interior or a Professional did the install. IMO the roadster's is by far the easiest interior to install. You must follow the instructions step by step and use a little common sense. The hardest area for me has been the corners of the back cushion flap where it attaches to the body wood. All of the interiors and tops I have done were LeBarron Bonney kits. I have never been disappointed with the quality. Just remember that these are kits and ALL kits will not fit 100% perfectly without some fitting to your personal car. I have friends, including my dad, that purchased cheaper interior kits and the materials did not hold up over time with use. Good luck with whatever you decide.

[Rowdy]

Be Thankful there is an off the shelf interior kit availiable for your car. Likely going to have to travel quite aways to find someone to do the interior for the delivery. I made a set of covers for the seats to use for now, but plan on having them recovered properly when I am done along with the entire cargo portion done right. Rod

[CarlG]

This was done about 20 years ago when the then owner restored the truck. Probably done in Tijuana by someone that had no clue as to how Model A's were suppose to be done. While it looks great, it sits 2 to 3 inches too high.

[V4F]

i had car-touche interior . but when i got mine it was $900 total . not show stuff but better than bare springs . installed ok ................. steve

[BRENT in 10-uh-C]

Originally Posted by 5window

Brent, I agree with all you said,and I am not trying to be argumentative,just thinking "out loud". I have no doubt that a professional would do a better job. (I'm a vet and while i am pretty sure you could spay your dog at home, with 23 years of experience, I think I could do a better job.)

I also don't think $2500 is excessive for a good quality well done interior. I don't doubt that a show quality interior would cost considerably more than that. But, I think that there are quite a few Model A owners who aren't looking for show quality, but "good, serviceable and enjoyable", who maybe aren't comfortable with your level of investment in a car that's really a hobby rather than an obsession and who maybe have more time than money to invest in the project.

I think Cartouche and L-B have recognized and tried to address that market. If you don't like those options, what can be done?

I love your analogy!!

My biggest question was, ...is comparing $2,500 from a local shop to a 'kit' really comparing apples-to-apples? I can't help but think not. THAT was my point.

If someone is trying to save money over the kit prices and save money doing it themselves, why not just go to the nearest Wal-Mart and purchase some brown naugahyde in their fabric department? A couple of yards and a box of hog-rings later will cover a seat where it becomes functional for under $25 bucks. Buy a few more yards and a can of sprayable glue, then recover the existing panel board for a matching interior.

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[CarlG]

Originally Posted by BRENT in 10-uh-C

...why not just go to the nearest Wal-Mart and purchase some brown naugahyde in their fabric department? A couple of yards and a box of hog-rings later will cover a seat where it becomes functional for under $25 bucks. Buy a few more yards and a can of sprayable glue, then recover the existing panel board for a matching interior..

This is exactly what I did with the 52 Merc I had while I was in High School -- except WalMart didn't exist then, and the naugahyde was gray.

[Thom IV]

My two cents worth FWIW. I installed (with some professional help) Cartouche seat covers and side panels. Did the side panels by myself. Had some professional assistance with the seats. I am very satisfied with the product. My professional person commented on the high quality of the material. It came out looking very good. It has been in a year and a half and has over 1500 miles of use.
I receive compliments when ever I show the car.

[CWPASADENA]

Originally Posted by BRENT in 10-uh-C

Not to pick on Chris' picture above but myguess is there is at least one thing that he would probably do different next time if he could do it again. It appears he did not tie the cushion springs (or if he did, he didn't do them enough) as it appears the seat will not fold forward properly to allow passenger egress to the back seat. Also, compare to the photo below that shows the proper location for the piping. Again, these are minor installation details and he did a remarkable job but my point is that he would probably do many things differently if he had done several jobs and had that experience to fall back on. THAT is what you are paying for when you have it done professionally. While some of y'all may not view it that way, paying $2,500 (even on a $10,000 car) is not that expensive when you realize what is involved.

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You are correct,I did not tie the springs. I followed L-Bs Instructions but there was nothing about tying the springs which there should be. I may take the bottom cushions apart at some time and do a little re-work as they look a little too "full" for me, BUT the Passanger Seat does fold properly. I am a Mechanical Engineer by profession and a Mechanist by trade and not a trimmer.

If I was going to restore this car as a high point show car, I would have a professional do some of the work I did but I restored it as a Tour Car and tried to do most of it myself. I know the piping is incorrect BUT this is the way I wanted to do it. I also used clevis pins with hair pin clips in the bottom pivots which makes the seats very easy to remove when necessary. This makes it MUCH easier when removing the front floor boards for maintenance. Again, if I was doing a show car, all these things would need to be correct.

Chris

[sonny30coupe]

Why is Brent always so negative and hard on everyone elses work? I guess he is the only one that does nice work.???

[Marco Tahtaras]

Originally Posted by CWPASADENA

You are correct,I did not tie the springs. I followed L-Bs Instructions but there was nothing about tying the springs which there should be. I may take the bottom cushions apart at some time and do a little re-work as they look a little too "full" for me, BUT the Passanger Seat does fold properly. I am a Mechanical Engineer by profession and a Mechanist by trade and not a trimmer.

First, I have to say your work looks better than most "professional" jobs I've seen. A very nice job!

What is this about tying springs? There is NOTHING to be gained by tying a Model A seat spring unless you are trying to collapse it so much it feels like sitting on a brick. By design they are intended to be collapsed approximately 1" with the installation of the cover.

Am I missing something?

[James Rogers]

Originally Posted by sonny30coupe

Why is Brent always so negative and hard on everyone elses work? I guess he is the only one that does nice work.???

I think you confuse negativity with honesty. Brent only comments about the things he sees done incorrectly when necessary or asked. Like the judges on the TV shows, sometimes the advice is not appreciated or welcomed even if it is true and honest, posters put themselves in this position when they ask questions, me included. Don't shoot the messenger when you ask.

[rmak]

Originally Posted by sonny30coupe

Why is Brent always so negative and hard on everyone elses work? I guess he is the only one that does nice work.???

Ha, ha! Sorry for opening a can of worms,guys.

I was obsessive/compulsive when I was restoring old Brit motorcycles. I would get involved in long debates about where to put an oil level decal and if the bolts that weren't even seen were plated correctly.

It was funny that at a lot of meets the guys who rode their old beat up classic bikes daily and had them wired/taped together and kind of funky usually stole the attention from the pristine restorations. There's just something about a machine that's actually used and shows it service.

I've been around gear-heads of one type or another most of my life. There's room for everyone, every point of view and every aesthetic.

My car is going to be a jalopy. It's a fun diversion from the daily grind, nothing more and nothing less. I don't plan on investing big bucks. My original question was asked in that context. But, hey, if you're into discussing the thread count on a particular fabric, enjoy!

[BRENT in 10-uh-C]

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Originally Posted by Marco Tahtaras

First, I have to say your work looks better than most "professional" jobs I've seen. A very nice job!

What is this about tying springs? There is NOTHING to be gained by tying a Model A seat spring unless you are trying to collapse it so much it feels like sitting on a brick. By design they are intended to be collapsed approximately 1" with the installation of the cover.

Am I missing something?

Well so we are clear, since most of us (you included??) do not have the seat spring press like was originally used at the factory, you or I need to compress the spring coils that 1" like you just mentioned. I personally clip the string once the cover has been installed but I would imagine over time the string will stretch however I have trouble believing whether the coils are tied to compress them 1 inch, --or whether the seat cover is holding the coils compressed that same inch matters as far as the seat sitting like a brick. Maybe your experience is different?
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Originally Posted by sonny30coupe

Why is Brent always so negative and hard on everyone elses work? I guess he is the only one that does nice work.???

I'm sorry you feel that way as that was not, --nor is ever my intent. Matter of fact, if you really knew me personally you would know that I am an encourager to almost everyone I come in contact no matter who they are. While I do feel I am generous with sharing what knowledge and experience I have learned to others here, like someone mentioned above, I will be truthful and can be abrasive with my 'to the point' comments. If that offends, I'm sorry but that is just how I am.

Also, if you go look at my unedited posting above, you will see I used the phrase that "he did a remarkable job". If my point about experience being the reason why the $2500 quote and using Chris' experience gives folks indigestion, I will gladly go and reword my post as I am not trying to offend or belittle anyone. BTW, if you or anyone ever sees something I am doing incorrectly or unsatisfactory, feel free to let me know. I can always learn & improve too.

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[bobpo]

I just finished my LeBaron-Bonney kit installation. I have a '30 deluxe coupe, and the kit came complete with the Leather like rumble seat. I say Leather-Like 'cause I can't spell Naugaugehide. I took me a week or so and it came out great. I also opted for the cloth material instead of the Mohair 'cause I just like the clother better.

Bottom line was about $2,200 and I got free shipping due to one of their many specials at the time. I was very pleased with the directions/instructions and their tech support. I did however borrow a better quality pair of Hog Ring Pliers. Theirs was a little less than I wanted to deal with. NOTE* I had never done an upholstery job in my life before.

I went to a family member who owns a great Upholstery Shop and he told me right up front, "if I was you, I'd order that LeBaron-Bonney kit".......

Good Luck

[Pilotdave]

My sense is that there will always be some "tension" between those who work professionally on these cars and those who don't.

Professionals know the value of experience and (often but not always) how to get it right. Those who do deserve to be paid for what they know and can do. And the value of advice from someone like Brent is that he knows what's he's talking about and is willing to share his experience with us - for free.

The rest of us have varying degrees of experience and skill levels. Often we are faced with economic limitations. Some of us can install an interior kit and get it dang close to perfect. Some of us cannot. But going into a project like that with our eyes open and understanding the limitations and challenges is part of the hobby. I've had significant help from my local Model A club, as well as from those who contribute on here, for a variety of issues, repairs and upgrades. For me, working on our car is part of the joy of owning it. That said, an interior kit will cost a good part of the $2,500 mentioned in this thread. And if I didn't expect that I could do creditable job of installing it, I'd find someone who could....and maybe spend the rest of the $2,500 or more.

So is $2,500 a lot of money for a professionally installed, correct interior? Doesn't sound like it! If I pay a shop do it, will it be correct? Maybe - depends on the shop. Can I do it myself and get it right? Maybe. Can I get it close enough for a driver car? Probably, especially if I'm willing to back up and restart a few things. And even more likely if someone from the local Club has experience that I can "borrow". If I do it myself, will I spend more time than a pro? Absolutely! Will I learn from doing it and be better at it next time? I surely hope so!

[CWPASADENA]

Originally Posted by BRENT in 10-uh-C

I'm sorry you feel that way as that was not, --nor is ever my intent. Matter of fact, if you really knew me personally you would know that I am an encourager to almost everyone I come in contact no matter who they are. While I do feel I am generous with sharing what knowledge and experience I have learned to others here, like someone mentioned above, I will be truthful and can be abrasive with my 'to the point' comments. If that offends, I'm sorry but that is just how I am.

Also, if you go look at my unedited posting above, you will see I used the phrase that "he did a remarkable job". If my point about experience being the reason why the $2500 quote and using Chris' experience gives folks indigestion, I will gladly go and reword my post as I am not trying to offend or belittle anyone. BTW, if you or anyone ever sees something I am doing incorrectly or unsatisfactory, feel free to let me know. I can always learn & improve too.

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In defense of Brent, he is "In the Business" and while I have done ONE interior in a Model A Ford, I am sure he has done many dozens and has thru the years, learned the in's and out's of restoring these cars. A person with his experience, who is willing to freely share his experience with others, can be very helpful to all of us who are attempting to do a lot of our own work. This helps to better our skills and understanding and makes it easier to raise the level of quality of our finished work. I am sure the next interior job I would do on a Model A Tudor will be better and done in half the time, but it still may not be up to the quality of a professional.

I have seen many times on The Barn where Brent offers very helpful advice and answers to questions people have who are just trying to work on their own cars and enjoy them.

I have been associated with the Car Hobby all my life and I have seen many cases where an "expert" will just critize and will not offer any helpful advice. I am 73 YEARS OLD but am still willing to learn and try to improve my skills. I am also fortunate to have a good, well equipped shop to work in and have reasonable basic skills but I am also hard headed enough to try to do things which are new to me. Sometimes things turn out OK but every so often, I have to "can" the project and either start over or take it to someone who knows what they are doing.

Anyway, I take Bernt's comments as constructive and will look forward to his helpful answers to questions posted on The Barn.

Chris

[CarlG]

Originally Posted by Pilotdave

...if someone from the local Club has experience that I can "borrow"...

I am always humbled each time I recall having worked on my car for an entire Saturday with a fellow club member -- him doing most of the work, I was just learning (again). At the end of the day:
He thanked me for allowing him to work on my car!

[WILLIE]

Originally Posted by sonny30coupe

Why is Brent always so negative and hard on everyone elses work? I guess he is the only one that does nice work.???

WE HAVE TO REMEMBER, THESE COMPUTERS HAVE NO PERSONALITY. IT IS EASY TO MISUNDERSTAND WHAT SOMEONE IS REALLY TRYING TO SAY. MYSELF, I WELCOME CONSTUCTIVE CRITICISM. I LEARN ALOT FROM THOSE "GRUMPY OLD FARTS"... I THINK BRENT MENTIONED HOW GOOD THE UPHOLSTERY LOOKED. HIS POINT WAS, NO MATTER HOW GOOD ONE DOES A PROJECT THE FIRST TIME, THEY LEARN MORE EACH OTHER TIME THEY DO IT. AND A PRO HAS DONE IT MANY TIMES, SO HAS MORE KNOWLEDGE, AND EXPERINCE. THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE PAYING FOR. I'M SURE EVERYONE AGREES THAT BUYING A KIT AND DOING IT YOURSELF IS FINE AND ADMIRABLE. BUT A HIGH QUALITY PROFESSIONAL LOOKING JOB COST. IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU WANT. ME, I TAKE PRIDE IN DOING IT ALL MYSELF. EVEN WHEN IT DOESN'T TURN OUT GREAT, I'M STILL HAPPY KNOWING I DID IT... TO ME THAT'S THE FUN. LEARNING HOW IT WAS DONE, AND BRINGING IT BACK TO LIFE WITH MY OWN TWO HANDS. SOME OTHERS LIKE TO BUY IT ALREADY FINISHED, AND READY TO GO. THAT'S FINE TOO... IT TAKES ALL KINDS...

[asapguy]

Hello RMAK. I installed a L-B kit in my 29 rdstr. four yrs ago. It wasn't hard. I actually enjoyed it. I requested padded door panels with pouches for storage which aren't original for rdstrs. Other then the door panels everything else was orig. type upholstery. I took 30-40 pics & would be more then happy to send some if you decide to do it yourself. I haven't done my top bows yet but did help a friend do his. Just been to busy to get my bows ready to install. I'm getting ready to do a 29 Briggs fordor interior & that's going to more of a challange. I would stick with L-B.

[WILLIE]

Hey asapguy... I am restoring a '29 briggs myself. I was thinking of going with cartouche for the upholstery. But also considered labaron bonney please let me know how it turns out.

[LukeDahlinger]

Broke out my upholstery scissors and trimmed this post down to nothing.....

[Marco Tahtaras]

Originally Posted by BRENT in 10-uh-C

Well so we are clear, since most of us (you included??) do not have the seat spring press like was originally used at the factory, you or I need to compress the spring coils that 1" like you just mentioned. I personally clip the string once the cover has been installed but I would imagine over time the string will stretch however I have trouble believing whether the coils are tied to compress them 1 inch, --or whether the seat cover is holding the coils compressed that same inch matters as far as the seat sitting like a brick. Maybe your experience is different?

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Ok, now I get it. It didn't occur to me because I've never done that. Thinking about it I seem to recall attempting that the first time I did a factory type fixed size cover (no extra fabric to pull). That was over thirty years ago. I've done better just using my own weight to collapse the area of the cushion I'm focused on.





I've only varied from that twice. When I did my Roadster seats in 1995 I made a temporary press of sorts to collapse the cushions. For some reason when I did Dave's car a few years later (no press) I could not collapse the rear cushion (shown above) enough to crimp the finished edge in the channel so I had to go to "plan B". I had my buddy Larry Ryder AND Susan stand on the spring. As you can imagine, Susan made little difference but it was enough!

In my experience there is no difficulty stretching an LB cover into place with all the extra fabric on the facings. I'd guess it takes 5-10 minutes depending on the model to get the cover on in the proper position and tension. It may however take well over an hour to get the seam or welt in a nice straight line and symmetrical.

Unfortunately there is no way to do a demonstration here and I really don't have a "subject" as I rarely do this stuff anymore. What I used to do was commonly practiced for many decades. I forget that with modern cars there may not be many folks even in the business that have ever seen what to me is just normal.

[Mitch//pa]

i put a cartouche mohair kit in my 30 tudor about 5 years ago. it went in nice with no problems and looks great. my car is more of a tow queen and only gets driven occassionally on a nice sat or sunday. the drivers seat has developed wear marks from sitting and the drivers door panel where my knee rests against has also developed wear marks and discoloration of the material. i agree with some of the above posts that it is cheap material. the price was right at the time but next time i would never buy there kits again. l-b for me

[CWPASADENA]

Originally Posted by Pilotdave

My sense is that there will always be some "tension" between those who work professionally on these cars and those who don't.

Professionals know the value of experience and (often but not always) how to get it right. Those who do deserve to be paid for what they know and can do. And the value of advice from someone like Brent is that he knows what's he's talking about and is willing to share his experience with us - for free.

The rest of us have varying degrees of experience and skill levels. Often we are faced with economic limitations. Some of us can install an interior kit and get it dang close to perfect. Some of us cannot. But going into a project like that with our eyes open and understanding the limitations and challenges is part of the hobby. I've had significant help from my local Model A club, as well as from those who contribute on here, for a variety of issues, repairs and upgrades. For me, working on our car is part of the joy of owning it. That said, an interior kit will cost a good part of the $2,500 mentioned in this thread. And if I didn't expect that I could do creditable job of installing it, I'd find someone who could....and maybe spend the rest of the $2,500 or more.

So is $2,500 a lot of money for a professionally installed, correct interior? Doesn't sound like it! If I pay a shop do it, will it be correct? Maybe - depends on the shop. Can I do it myself and get it right? Maybe. Can I get it close enough for a driver car? Probably, especially if I'm willing to back up and restart a few things. And even more likely if someone from the local Club has experience that I can "borrow". If I do it myself, will I spend more time than a pro? Absolutely! Will I learn from doing it and be better at it next time? I surely hope so!

VERY WELL SAID!!!!!

Chris

[ttoldcarbuff7]

I purchased all of my interior and roof top from Cartouche and have been very happy with it. I found that the panels fit well, not perfectly, but well enough to work with little modifications. I cannot compare the weight of the material but it seems fine. Jim at MAC"S upholstery department is very pleasant to work with and has helped me several times with questions and fitting concerns. "Send it back and we will ship out the changes" I am happy with the service at MAC's and would recommend Cartouche to anyone.

[BRENT in 10-uh-C]

Originally Posted by LukeDahlinger

To backtrack a bit-

When it comes to 'professional' restorers you have a couple types:

1) Those who use every post they make to have some sort of reference to their business & clientele. This is done for many reasons which I won't go into.

2) Those who have shops and fly under the radar, having no need to pontificate on their abilities unless specifically asked.

When the #1's post like they do it comes across as highly arrogant and self serving.

As for Cartouche seat covers-

I don't care much for Cartouche products. Lebaron Bonney, Classtique and Chatterton are my preferences.

However I did install a Cartouche kit in a non Model A some time back and found it pretty good. But then again it's hard to screw up vinyl!

Luke, just so we understand exactly what you are saying/implying, which one of your two categories are you placing me in, --and why?

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[Deluxe Delivery]

A far as upholstery kits/companies are concerned ( remember the original post in this thread?), I can only say good things about LeBaron Bonney. They do not offer a kit as such for 31 Deluxe Deliveries, but they will work with you to assemble one from truck and tudor components. They made door panels as in the pick-up, seat covers in the correct material to their tudor patterns, only with no pleats. I sent them patterns for above the windshield and above the fronts doors. They shipped these out with no binding and when I called, they said send 'em back. I did and they bound them as original. I sent a pattern for the rear door which they happened to "flip" right to left and it had to be remade. They did so very quickly an no expense to me. ( I was able to use this panel to make my kick panels, but that's a fortunate freebie at their expense.) They sent a paper strip to measure the headliner to order for my bow configuration. All of these components fit perfectly and has been one of the most rewarding experiences in this whole restoration. It took lots of time, very well spent, I might add, but I could not be more pleased if Henry himself had done it himself. ( well, maybe). My point is that, yes it was a little pricey, (I sold parts to make it a zero expense ), but I am extremely pleased with my purchase now and will be , I am sure, in the future. I vaguely remember a quote about how the sweetness of a low price is quickly surpassed by the bitter taste of cheap quality/workmanship. I am convinced of the quality and concern that LB shows for it's product, reputation and it's customers. I will post pictures in my album.

[Deluxe Delivery]

Ok, I'll post them here. Not braggin, (well maybe a little) but I am an amateur and enjoy every second workin on my A. I just took my time and followed LB's instructions.!

[rmak]

Nice job! I'm inspired by you amateur upholsters.

[BRENT in 10-uh-C]

Originally Posted by LukeDahlinger

I don't need to explain myself any further, as I've made it pretty clear what my point is. Sure you do post often, sometimes your posts are thinly veiled attempts for pushing your business, sometimes your posts are arrogant as hell, and sometimes you post something that is neither.

Looking back thru the archives, this has come up before and I suspect it will continue in the future.

This is simply my opinion and I suppose you'll call me a jerk here too, but I'm not the only one who notices your constant free advertising.

Luke, if it had not been for your last sentance, I would have replied to you privately but so that we are 'crystal clear' for those others that you referred to, I will say this here.

First off, I think you are fairly new to Fordbarn as I only noticed you have come onto the scene within the past few months so you probably do not know the history of me here or back when Shelly owned the site so there are probably some things that should be pointed out;

Yes, this topic has come up before by people shouting from the "cheap seats" who really don't know the facts. If you look at all the posts I have made here, NO WHERE will you ever find me asking for business, suggesting they use my services, ...or me telling someone that I have something for sale that they need. Again, I have made over 1400 posts, and I challenge you find just one! The reason I do that is simply because I do not want to be guilty of that very issue you falsely accused me of. Ironically, if my main objective for making forum posts is only to attract business, I believe one could make a valid point that I would be doing the same on all Model A web forums out there so as to reach the maximum amount of hobbyists yet this is the only forum I write on, --so that is probably not my motive for making what you termed as thinly veiled attempts of pushing my business.

Next, while the old Fordbarn asked that people refrain from making commercial posts, Peter & Shelly both had told me on several occasions that I was giving way more back to the site than what I was deriving by putting my business name on my posts and therefore they had no problem with it whatsoever. No where have I seen anything either written or commanded from Ryan that states me posting my business name or web address is unethical, ...or against this forum's rules. Therefore if he has no issue with it, why should you, --or any of the others that you mentioned care?

So, based on what you have read in the archives, just how much business would you say I have derived by posting here? Would you say that amount would be greater or less than the value of the information I have freely shared with those in need? If you truly knew how much business I have ever obtained from my presence here, and knew how much I have tried to give back either thru written posts, or answered private PMs or e-mails, or have talked with fellow Fordbarners on the phone (at my expense), --or know the expense I incurred on hosting free Fordbarn Workshops for fellow folks to attend, ...if you truly knew these facts, I think you would be ashamed to have even made those comments & allegations, --but maybe I am wrong in this regard too.

If none of the above is believable to you (or anyone else), then I am kindly going to suggest that you go to the Control Panel and click on the left where about 10 items down is an Edit Ignore List button. May I suggest that you click on that and then type in BRENT in 10-uh-C and add me to that list so you will never ever see my "arrogant as hell" posts again.



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[msmaron]

Originally Posted by LukeDahlinger

I don't need to explain myself any further, as I've made it pretty clear what my point is. Sure you do post often, sometimes your posts are thinly veiled attempts for pushing your business, sometimes your posts are arrogant as hell, and sometimes you post something that is neither.

Looking back thru the archives, this has come up before and I suspect it will continue in the future.

This is simply my opinion and I suppose you'll call me a jerk here too, but I'm not the only one who notices your constant free advertising.

Sorry but in 5 years i have NEVER EVER Known Brent to "Solicit" his business in any way at all. What i do notice is informative, educational answers and posts that benefit those who come here for that reason, If others come to comment and waste time and space, so be it, but please dont accuse Brent Terry of anything deceitful ever...Accuse him and OTHERS for giving us the knowledge that many of us look for and want!

JMHO!!

[LukeDahlinger]

Deleted to avoid further stirring the shitpot.

[msmaron]

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Originally Posted by LukeDahlinger

As for mentioning your name and soliciting services in your posts-
You don't have to. Entries like "We do it like this in my shop", "Among my many clients", "My clients _______ " etc ad nauseum. It still gets the point across that you have a shop and do x number of cars each year or how many you enter in fine point, etc etc..

WTF does this have to do with the question asked about seat covers., Why the hell would YOU hijack a post that is to teach with this crap!! Your one of the problems here... STICK TO THE TOPIC and leave your OPINIONS at home and let us all learn here!! That is WHY WE are here.....!!! Get it

[Mitch//pa]

i wanted to post a clearer picture of what i was talking about with the wear marks on my cartouche material. this is where my knee touches the door panel. the drivers seat is becoming the same way especially on the bottom. i have another tudor with an l-b interior thats older than the cartouche and no wear marks yet on that..

[msmaron]

Looks like the DYE is coming off and wearing the material away?

[Mitch//pa]

Originally Posted by msmaron

Looks like the DYE is coming off and wearing the material away?

it really sucks i think i am, going to call them and see what they want to do. as i stated before my car gets very little use.

[msmaron]

Originally Posted by Mitch//pa

it really sucks i think i am, going to call them and see what they want to do. as i stated before my car gets very little use.

For SURE call them, you have NOTHING To loose and all to gain, if they send new panels you are at a win win situation.......until it happens again!

[CWPASADENA]

Originally Posted by Karl

Heck I'm a Doctor with simaler length of experience and I'm not sure
I could do my dog at home .I might at a pinch manage a dog ( ? an orchidectomy) but a bitch might be a little more fun. My understanding is you do a hysterectomy -am I right ? -Karl

WOW!!!!!

Talk about staying on the topic.

This thread started as a question about installing seat covers and went on to raking Brent over the coals and now we are into giving a bitch a hysterectomy.

Who ever said THE BARN was not a LOT OF FUN???????

Again, This is JUST MY OPINION

Chris

[wardkew]

I just finished the seat and rumble seat for my '31 roadster with a L-B kit. I've never done any upholstry before, and was surprised that it wasn't more difficult. The L-B install instruction on their web page helped alot, although I wasn't impressed with the written instructions. The seat material isn't as heavy as I had hoped, but given the amount of use my car gets, it should be fine. The kick panels and door panels went on w/out a hitch, and the rumble panels went in with the help of some choice words.

Is the kit going to get you awards at a serious meet? Nope, put it looks pretty good at the ice cream stand on a a Friday night.

I say go for it. If worse case, you get the kit and can't make it work, then take it to an installer and have them put it in.

[Karl]

[QUOTE=5window;198199]Since we're here-....[/QUOTE\

Gotta be better than where we were!!! I'm off for a drive in the A despite the fact that is autumn here and raining heavily. Karl

[5window]

[QUOTE=Karl;198363]

Originally Posted by 5window

Since we're here-....[/QUOTE\

Gotta be better than where we were!!! I'm off for a drive in the A despite the fact that is autumn here and raining heavily. Karl

Have a nice ride. It's spring here and raining heavily. Again.

[James Rogers]

Originally Posted by msmaron

WTF does this have to do with the question asked about seat covers., Why the hell would YOU hijack a post that is to teach with this crap!! Your one of the problems here... STICK TO THE TOPIC and leave your OPINIONS at home and let us all learn here!! That is WHY WE are here.....!!! Get it

mark, some people never GET IT.

[BILL WILLIAMSON]

Originally Posted by James Rogers

mark, some people never GET IT.

Why are some folks so KRANKY AND PICKY?? Takes all the enjoyment out of it! [}:]> (That's my party hat) Lighten up!!

[Cob]

You know - some of you guys seem to have a problem of drawing attention to yourselves by posting totally off topic junk and ruin for everyone else.

For those who posted off topic whatever, my suggestion is you remember what web site you are on and not forget - sooner than later.

Sorry to those who posted on topic subjects but keep me posted ( report ) if another guy decides his off topic subject discussion seems to be more relavant when it isn't and he'll get more than a reminder.


Thank you.................

Moderator

[ronn]

I guess everyone forgot good ole JC Whitney. A nice seat cover to fit is about 200.
Not the best, but better then sitting on springs....

[BRENT in 10-uh-C]

Originally Posted by ronn

I guess everyone forgot good ole JC Whitney. A nice seat cover to fit is about 200.
Not the best, but better then sitting on springs....

My Gosh, ...talking about digging up one out of the grave!!

Like you say, JC Whitney would work for a seat cover too. Lots of options for someone who is creative.

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