Got scammed!

[Shoebox]

I'm 60 years old, been messing with cars since I could hold a trouble light for my Dad. I've bought and sold a lot of car parts, pretty good at spotting the occasional dishonest guy.......... not this time though!

I put a WTB ad here and on the Early Ford V8 classifieds, looking for a pr of fender skirts for my 39 Merc. A guy named David "Gills" Hardy 1219 N. 76th St. Kansas City, KS. sends me pic of some skirts and a fair price. He requests payment via Moneygram, says he'll ship UPS and send me a tracking number.

Well, the money was picked up by his wife Karen Hardy 10 days ago, no tracking number, no skirts, no communication. Any suggestions what I should have done differently?? Thanks...

Shoebox

[Bob C]

Moneygram and Western Union = red flag

Bob

[Thaplumbr]

Moneygram would be the give away,also google the guys name,looks like your not the first time this has ever happened with this guy!!!
Sorry for your luck!

[Mark Slight]

Shoebox,

My first thought would be to see if the address exists by looking it up on a site like Map Quest.
Next contact the Kansas City, KS police department. fraud section for help.

Anyone have other thoughts?

Mark

[Karl Wolf]

If you use a postal money order you may have more recourse. I like the auction sites protection... It's shame that dishonest people hide among those of us that like to be able to trust people...

Karl

[Lanny]

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Originally Posted by Karl Wolf

If you use a postal money order you may have more recourse. I like the auction sites protection... It's shame that dishonest people hide among those of us that like to be able to trust people...

Karl

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I have called the post office a couple times to ask about them helpng
incase someone don't send parts when using a Postal Money Order, they
said I would be SOL.
They said they only help incase Postal M/O was Lost.



Also, I always get a phone number before sending money to anyone.
If I can't talk to them on the phone, then NO money will be sent.
That don't guarantee they are not a scammer, but a number will
help track them down if they are.












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[37 Coupe]

US postal money order is not a guarantee,mayby if it gets lost in the mail but that is about all,it is more a guarantee for the seller that money is good. I lost one time to a scammer and post office would only say" but this is who you addressed money to" ."So it is on you" PayPal is the best nowadays for buyer and seller.

[Shoebox]

Yep, you guys are right.

I had no experience with Moneygram, lots of Paypal, BIG difference though. And yes, I googled this guy (just now) I am not his first sucker.

Just got off the phone with Kansas City Fraud unit, although a misdemeanor, they were interested, said it was a good address. Oh well, live and learn.

By the way,........... still looking for a pair of 39 Merc skirts

Shoebox

[TJ]

Western Union and MoneyGram is in fact a red flag. The photos they sent you were most likely stolen from another ad (probably from e-Bay) and the address is nothing more than a mail forwarding service. I suspect the seller lives in another country.

I advertised awhile back for some original 40 bumper irons on the V-8 club site. Got an e-mail from a guy who said he had the irons and he sent me obvious photos of the stainless irons from Drake's catalog. He said I could pay by Western Union. I never responded back. These crooks are out there so be on your toes.

[19Fordy]

I would think that using the US Mail to defraud is unlawful. Am I wrong?

[V8COOPMAN]

Originally Posted by 19Fordy

I would think that using the US Mail to defraud is unlawful. Am I wrong?

You ain't wrong, Jim. Lots of unlawful going-on now-a-days that's merely being "neglected". Probably one of those "incorrect" issues not to be discussed here. DD

[Sal]

I hate those SOB's. I got taken by a guy on the HAMB last year. I advertised for a pulley I gave the description on the computer, talked to him over the phone. He sent me what I didn't ask for. Then he returns my money minus $10.00 a month later. I will never deal with that rip off POS again. He is still on these sites.

[Lawson Cox]

Originally Posted by Shoebox

I'm 60 years old, been messing with cars since I could hold a trouble light for my Dad. I've bought and sold a lot of car parts, pretty good at spotting the occasional dishonest guy.......... not this time though!

I put a WTB ad here and on the Early Ford V8 classifieds, looking for a pr of fender skirts for my 39 Merc. A guy named David "Gills" Hardy 1219 N. 76th St. Kansas City, KS. sends me pic of some skirts and a fair price. He requests payment via Moneygram, says he'll ship UPS and send me a tracking number.

Well, the money was picked up by his wife Karen Hardy 10 days ago, no tracking number, no skirts, no communication. Any suggestions what I should have done differently?? Thanks...

Shoebox

Why would you want skirts for a 39 Merc? Fender darned near covers wheel anyhow. To each his own I guess. Sorry to hear you got scammed.
Using or causing to be used the mails or long distance telephone to defraud is a federal crime. Call the FBI.

[mfagan]

I had a similar situation, contacted the FBI and was told
they didn't investigate anything less than $25,000.00.

[Kube]

Okay, I have to wonder why we can't as a hobby based "community" post just who it is that does the scamming? Of course there would have to be some rules applied. But still, isn't a good thing to bring these low-life's to the forefront for all to note?
I had started a thread a short time ago in regard to Robert Azario. It appeared rather quickly that many were ripped off by this guy. I thought it was good that folks would (hopefully) steer clear of this guy in the future and hold on to their hard earned money.
Yet, the thread was closed after about a week. I did send Ryan a PM but never got a response. I heard he no longer runs this site. Anyone know if that's true?

Anyway, as I know many of you followed that "Azario" thread, below is his latest email to me. If anyone is so interested, they can find the old thread with ALL of the communication between Azario and myself.
Just to note: I have yet to see any money returned or parts.
By the way, I have "blocked" out some of the most offensive language ol' Robert used in the response below. Also note, it's been over four months. LOTS of excuses...
Here it is and by the way, his website is still very much in operation:
Dearest Douche: I will send your refund when I get back to Florida late next week. Right now I’m not far from that sh--hole you call home. As I mentioned before, I don’t give a f--k about what you think of me. You’re just a bitter old man. That notwithstanding, it’s pretty comical for you to believe that I’ve purchased my wife a single pair of shoes or “fancy” purse with the pittance that I owe you.
By the way, I don’t have a website and I don’t sell parts anymore. You and those other old f--ks who have nothing to do can kiss my a-s.
I guess it is quite obvious what Azario really thinks of us in general. Also, just for the record, I'm 57 - not really "old" in my book. Also, I am far from bitter, in fact, I'm quite happy. The "pittance"... well Robert, if it's such a pittance, why have you not refunded it as yet?

[3340]

Sad! These Type Of People Find These Sights.

[ford3]

its amazing how many times people on here have posted, NEVER SEND MONEY BY MONEY GRAM OR WESTERN UNION and they still do, do they forget the warning or what, they should have read ay least one of the posts about that, send money by either one of those methods and your money is gone, lost forever

[JM 35 Sedan]

Shoebox, by what method did this guy respond to your ad? If he sent you a PM via Fordbarn he would have to be a member here. If so, what is his handle/avatar name?

[denverslim]

So, I've got an old broken axel that I would be glad to donate to the cause. It'd look good going through his front window...slim

[tubman]

Originally Posted by ford3

its amazing how many times people on here have posted, never send money by money gram or western union and they still do, do they forget the warning or what, they should have read ay least one of the posts about that, send money by either one of those methods and your money is gone, lost forever

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