Condor timing cover

[V4F]

i have a cast aluminum timing cover for my "A" . lost my directions . need help finding the manufacturer . all it says is "CONDOR" on the out side . it has an adjustable bolt that keeps the cam from walking . any help greatly appreciated .
thank you ... steve

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[V4F]

still need the help please .

[V4F]

some has to have an idea ............

[George Miller]

I use a bolt with my over head in a stock cover. Does the bolt have bronze on the end for a bearing? I use the original sleeve with a bolt with bronze on the end inside the sleeve. I never heard of a condor. I would adjust the bolt for about .010 clearance.

[V4F]

im afraid i have lost a part . thats why im looking for info - instructions .

[just plain bill]

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Originally Posted by steve norcal

im afraid i have lost a part . thats why im looking for info - instructions .

This is what my timing cover cam stop looks like. The Condor used a coarser threaded set screw.

http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2013...49181497ZnghMZ

http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2068...49181497MZOCEH

[hardtimes]

Originally Posted by George Miller

I use a bolt with my over head in a stock cover. Does the bolt have bronze on the end for a bearing? I use the original sleeve with a bolt with bronze on the end inside the sleeve. I never heard of a condor. I would adjust the bolt for about .010 clearance.

George,
How is that .010 measured/determined when setting the bolt?

[George Miller]

I just use a feeler gauge when the pan is off

[hardtimes]

Originally Posted by George Miller

I just use a feeler gauge when the pan is off

George,
Good to know! So, I'm trying to understand the 'advantages' of adjustable pin over stock setup In other words, does such have to be adjusted often enough to warrant taking pan off to get .010? And, if 'wear' in that area a lot over time, and according to how hard engine is used?

[MALAK]

I would think you could use a dial indicator on the adjustment bolt head to adjust the clearance without having to take the pan off.

[Crazydaddyo]

If you know the thread pitch, you can set the clearance by backing off the adjuster a set degree of rotation.

If your thread pitch is 7/16" - 20, then each revolution of the adjuster is .050" so .010" clearance is 72 deg of rotation. or 1/5 th of a revolution.

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[Crazydaddyo]

A fixed stop like this is good to have when you have converted your engine to pressurized oiling. The extra force exerted on the cam to drive the oil pump that has been converted to running higher pressure, drives the cam forward. With the stock set up, the cam can walk forward .06" or more even though the cam gear is cut on a helix that is intended to force the cam toward the rear. This changes the cam timing.

With a fixed stop instead of the stock spring plunger, the cam stays where it is suppose to. I've run one for several years and have never had to adjust it.

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[Crazydaddyo]

This is the guy that sells the Condor cover:

http://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showth...ighlight=speed



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[George Miller]

It should stay where you put it, and yes you could use a indicator. Just screw the bolt in tell it stops, then put the indicator on the bolt head and back it off how much you want, but watch it because it will change when you tighten the lock nut.
The cam will walk when you have stronger valve springs, and pressure oiling. When it walks it will change your timing some.
I like the feeler gauge because I know for sure where it is.

[hardtimes]

Crazydaddeo,
Do you do business with this guy , and/or know anyone who has (good/bad/ugly to report)?

[hardtimes]

Originally Posted by George Miller

It should stay where you put it, and yes you could use a indicator. Just screw the bolt in tell it stops, then put the indicator on the bolt head and back it off how much you want, but watch it because it will change when you tighten the lock nut.
The cam will walk when you have stronger valve springs, and pressure oiling. When it walks it will change your timing some.
I like the feeler gauge because I know for sure where it is.

George,
Thanks, wow...this is great tech/info and may explain something (possible problem) that I'm concerned about. Now, I can see the benefits of such install. Knowing you, probably make your own! But, do you have any source of such in mind?

[George Miller]

I think Bill Stipe makes the timing gear cover.
Yes I make my own.

[just plain bill]

Originally Posted by hardtimes

George,
Thanks, wow...this is great tech/info and may explain something (possible problem) that I'm concerned about. Now, I can see the benefits of such install. Knowing you, probably make your own! But, do you have any source of such in mind?

There is a guy in No Ca that makes one with a small roller thrust bearing on an exchange basis. The guy that made the Condor originally had a handle on the HAMB of "The Saw Racer" His name is Jared Plourde.

[hardtimes]

Originally Posted by George Miller

I think Bill Stipe makes the timing gear cover.
Yes I make my own.

How did I guess that right ! Thanks, I'll check with Bill...

[just plain bill]

Stan Vermiel is the name of the person that makes a roller thrust bearing adapted to the stock timing cover. He is located in Nevada city ca.