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Old 10-14-2020, 01:19 PM   #1
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Is a 58 Edsel Pacer engine a common Ford FE or is it a peculiar engine to Edsels only?
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Old 10-14-2020, 01:38 PM   #2
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the cheaper models have a 361 which is an fe.the 2 top models have a 410 which is based on the mercury 430.
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The Edsel 361 is the same engine as the Ford truck 360 FE. For some reason they called the Edsel a 361. I guess to have it's own identity.

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The truck FE was first used in 63, 292 Y-block and 223 6 banger until then? 58/59 Fords had the 332 & 352, not sure when the 360 in trucks came around. My 73 F100 was bought new with the 360.

The Edsel was just a 332/352 board and stroked to separate it from the Ford line.
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The truck FE was first used in 63, 292 Y-block and 223 6 banger until then? 58/59 Fords had the 332 & 352, not sure when the 360 in trucks came around. My 73 F100 was bought new with the 360.

The Edsel was just a 332/352 board and stroked to separate it from the Ford line.
The LT FE (352) was first used in 1965, the 292 being discontinued, 1964 the last year.

The E-400 was a 390 block with the 352 stroke. FORD was planning on something with the 390 and shelved it due to the AMA ban.
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The two top models in 1958 used the 410 engine.
It was NOT 410 cubic inches, it 410 foot pounds of torque.
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410 cubic inches 440 foot pounds of torque.which is why it had 440 on the rocker covers
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The two top models in 1958 used the 410 engine.

It was NOT 410 cubic inches, it 410 foot pounds of torque.
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410 cubic inches 440 foot pounds of torque.which is why it had 440 on the rocker covers
The EDSEL 410CI was in the MEL Engine Family (383 - 410 - 430 - 462) The rocker covers were stamped E-475 to reflect the torque rating.

The FE (361) was used in the FORD based models and the MEL (410) in the MERC based models.
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Ford had a lot of different cranks and bore sizes with the FE series engines. They were Fords original versatile engine. None of the other Ford designs of the time were available in so many different configurations. Not all were FE since they had an FT in the design category for trucks but you add them all up and it's a lot of different engine sizes.

The Edsel 361 had high compression applications that made it different than the 360 which was actually for light duty trucks only but didn't have the FT designation since it was not a big truck engine. The 359 was an FT engine but still had the same bore and stroke as the 361 and 360. It was a one year only engine and had too many truck like components such as the timing cover front mount and the small port truck heads.

The 410 FE was short lived. It was only used in 66 & 67 Mercury cars. They simply used the 428 crankshaft in the 390 style block.

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The Edsel 361 is the same engine as the Ford truck 360 FE. For some reason they called the Edsel a 361. I guess to have it's own identity.

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Summit shows different pistons for these engines https://www.summitracing.com/search/...0360%20pistons And https://www.summitracing.com/search/...d-big-block-fe The pistons shown for the 361 Edsel at Egge Machine run $660 a set. Are the originals dished ?
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forgot 475.on covers.the 361 i had had e400 on the covers.edsel was trying to be different by putting the torque on the covers.
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Summit shows different pistons for these engines The pistons shown for the 361 Edsel at Egge Machine run $660 a set. Are the originals dished
The 1958/59 361 was a high compression engine meant for performance. It was also available as a POLICE option along with the 332/352.

The later 360 LT (1968-1976) engine was as a result of FORD being able to use the 390 block casting on both the 360 and 390 cutting costs over the previous 352.

They are both the same displacement but intended for different applications. So the piston style would be completely different. EGGE pistons are for the earlier 361.

This should help - http://edsel.net/engines.html
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the originals were flat top.
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The later 360 LT (1968-1976) engine was as a result of FORD being able to use the 390 block casting on both the 360 and 390 cutting costs over the previous 352.

They are both the same displacement but intended for different applications. So the piston style would be completely different. EGGE pistons are for the earlier 361.




... well ...

Come to find out that neither block is the same. The 361 has a bore and stroke of 4.0469 x 3.50 and the later 360 4.05 x 3.50.

Learn something every day ...
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A bullet proof set up is take a 390 FT crank, turn down the snout to passenger car specs and you now have a forged crank for the FE series. Add a 428 block and you now have a 406 that will take a beating.
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Yup, all the FTs has steel cranks but they did have the big snout.

The early blocks differ from the later ones but the later ones can be easily adapted to work for an early application. They had a slightly different engine mount pad location. I think the change was in the mid 60s.
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".. well ...

Come to find out that neither block is the same. The 361 has a bore and stroke of 4.0469 x 3.50 and the later 360 4.05 x 3.50.

Learn something every day ..."

Funny how that works out. The 360 Truck engine has a slightly larger bore, yet the Edsel has a one cubic inch larger displacement.

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Most engines have the decimal rounded to the two closest numbers beyond the decimal point. They are the same size for all intents and purposes. A power hone will change those decimal figures pretty quick if forged pistons are fitted. Those early Edsel engines had several high compression ratings that the later engines didn't have unless they were prepped for high performance applications.

In later years, Ford only made the three FE crankshafts. The one for the 360, the one for the 390/427, and the one for the 428. Toward the end of production the 390 crank was the main one for pickups and the 428 one was for industrial applications. They were used a lot for irrigation engines in the 70s & 80s. My Pop even used one to pump irrigation water for a long time.

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Funny how that works out. The 360 Truck engine has a slightly larger bore, yet the Edsel has a one cubic inch larger displacement.

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It is marketing mainly. If the numbers do not come to a whole, either engineering and/or marketing may fudge the number. Take the 427 for example. It is actually at 425 but it didn't sound good compared to the GM 427 or MOPAR 426.

I think PLY had a 360CI in that time period so that would explain it.
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The Plymouth and Dodge engines were 361's. Same family as the 383.

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