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Old 05-05-2016, 12:47 PM   #1
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I am on my fourth tube since the first of the year. Two were from Tiwan and one from India. They all failed at the seams. Two were in the area where the valved is attached. I got the first two from Coker's when I bought new tires, and the other two from Mac's. I have rim liners and the wheels are powder coated, so no hazzards there. Anyone else have similar problems? Mac's tell me they have had no complaints; so will not give a refund. One tube failed before I even installed the tire on the car. Anyone know where I can get American made tubes?
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i dont think you can buy american tubes
ive had the same problem
they are a safety hazard
best find some old US made ones even if they are used
they are much better
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What did Coker Tire say ? Wayne
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I use this stuff for the rim side of tubes as well as tire bead when installing .
I'm sure you are aware of the necessity to align the stem perpendicular to the rim before adding pressure.
I also spray the side walls of four cars for winter storage to ward off dry rot .
A little bit of the spray goes a long way so one can covers several applications .
Last yr I put new off shore tubes in the front of a T bucket roadster w/ no problem --just lucky I guess ?

http://www.amazon.com/3M-08897-Silic...silicone+spray
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I had a "new" tube split at the seam with the vehicle sitting in the garage. Probably had less than 1,500 miles on it. The seam wasn't even close to the valve stem. The mate to that one is still holding air, but I'm not holding my breath either.
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Buy them from brattons or snyders... They have them made to their specs overseas... They are good many here have used them...
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I use this stuff for the rim side of tubes as well as tire bead when installing .
I'm sure you are aware of the necessity to align the stem perpendicular to the rim before adding pressure.
I also spray the side walls of four cars for winter storage to ward off dry rot .
A little bit of the spray goes a long way so one can covers several applications .

http://www.amazon.com/3M-08897-Silic...silicone+spray
Amazon won't ship aerosols to Alaska. (Nothing against Amazon as most places won't either). Have to find it locally or do without.
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X2 what Mitch said.
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Bratton's has tubes that are made in the US.
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[QUOTE=rscardina;1289192]Bratton's has tubes that are made in the US.[/QUOTE

Are you sure about that??
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Tubes from Brattons or Synders, and I believe Berts sells the goods ones as well.
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Bratton's has tubes that are made in the US.
I believe they are manufactured according to Brattons specifications but I am quite sure they are not made in the United States. Wayne
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I too would agree with buying them at Brattons or Snyders or another good quality vendor.

Some folks apparently have had good luck with motorcycle tubes/
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Are you sure about that??
Both Bratton's and Snyder's catalogs state that their tubes are 100% new rubber, but make no mention of "Made in USA". If they were, logic would only tell me that they would advertise it.
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When mounting new tires and tubes, resist the urge to discard those 20 year old domestically produced Riverside or Firestone tubes, even if they have more patches than an Army sergeant. The new tubes sourced from some Third World locale might prove to be less reliable.
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i dont think you can buy american tubes
ive had the same problem
they are a safety hazard
best find some old US made ones even if they are used
they are much better
Try Brattons.
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I bought mine from Macs a couple years ago. No problems whatsoever. Also bought some for my T about 5 years ago, they were fine too. Lots of people have trouble with tubes. Put a little air in them before you install them, keeps them positioned easier when installing.
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I bought mine from Macs a couple years ago. No problems whatsoever. Also bought some for my T about 5 years ago, they were fine too. Lots of people have trouble with tubes. Put a little air in them before you install them, keeps them positioned easier when installing.
Also have 5 tubes from macs, and going on my third year no air loss.

Did my own install and was very careful doing so.

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Buy them from brattons or snyders... They have them made to their specs overseas... They are good many here have used them...
YES YES YES, those are made from 100% rubber, no recycled what ever in the tube.
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There are no Model A tubes made in the U.S.now! I'm running 40 year old U.S. made tubes,never had a problem.
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Forget the USA..that is over, Buy all your tubes now from Brattons or Snyders, and erase MACS of the Model a List totally., You will be happy, and make sure you use rim liners and your rims are clean of any debris or roughness..
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Has anyone specifically ASKED either Snyder's or Bratton's IF their inner-tubes are made in USA, or overseas ?

Seems to be little question that the quality is there, but some question as to where the tubes are actually made.
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Has anyone specifically ASKED either Snyder's or Bratton's IF their inner-tubes are made in USA, or overseas ?

Seems to be little question that the quality is there, but some question as to where the tubes are actually made.
Bridgestone Americas Tube Business (BATB), a division of Bridgestone Americas Tire Operations, LLC, is based in Russellville, Arkansas. Since 1964, BATB has been committed to manufacturing quality synthetic and natural rubber inner tubes for both on and off the highway usage. We offer the most comprehensive product line in the industry ranging from Forestry tubes to Lawn and Garden tubes. In addition to inner tubes, BATB produces bladder stock for other Bridgestone plants to use in the production of tires. Today, BATB is the only inner tube manufacturer in the U.S. and Canada.

Here is their catalog;

http://firestonetubes.com/uploads/catalog_2011.pdf (I don't see anything 4.5")
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^^^ The last four pages on safety and tube tips are worth reading.
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Winchester Repeating Arms Company have their headquarters and corporate offices in the U.S. They are 'An American Company'. "Selling the finest American products."

However, much (if not most) of their fire arms products are made in Japan.

So it is with this understanding of how wording is phrased that leads me to continue looking for specific and definitive - concrete evidence - that today's 'rubber' inner-tubes are actually MADE IN AMERICA - As in the old days, when AKRON, OHIO meant GoodYear Rubber, etc.

There is of course the MADE IN AMERICA label that has fine print indicating that the material was from XYZ & EBM, with components from EYC, assembled in ERT - all under the umbrella of 'Corporate Offices' in the USA.

"Based in", and "manufacturer" leaves room for some strong doubt as to exactly WHERE the inner-tubes are actually made. So I still wonder where the manufacturing plant is located that makes Bratton's/Snyder's inner-tubes.
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Winchester Repeating Arms Company have their headquarters and corporate offices in the U.S. They are 'An American Company'. "Selling the finest American products."

However, much (if not most) of their fire arms products are made in Japan.

So it is with this understanding of how wording is phrased that leads me to continue looking for specific and definitive - concrete evidence - that today's 'rubber' inner-tubes are actually MADE IN AMERICA - As in the old days, when AKRON, OHIO meant GoodYear Rubber, etc.

There is of course the MADE IN AMERICA label that has fine print indicating that the material was from XYZ & EBM, with components from EYC, assembled in ERT - all under the umbrella of 'Corporate Offices' in the USA.

"Based in", and "manufacturer" leaves room for some strong doubt as to exactly WHERE the inner-tubes are actually made. So I still wonder where the manufacturing plant is located that makes Bratton's/Snyder's inner-tubes.
Given your definition of "Made in America" above, Bridgestone Americas Tube Business, cannot "make" any natural rubber tubes, as described in their catalog, in the US because there are no rubber plantations in the US. So even in the old days NO rubber inner tubes were made in the US.
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I am on my fourth tube since the first of the year. Two were from Tiwan and one from India. They all failed at the seams. Two were in the area where the valved is attached. I got the first two from Coker's when I bought new tires, and the other two from Mac's. I have rim liners and the wheels are powder coated, so no hazzards there. Anyone else have similar problems? Mac's tell me they have had no complaints; so will not give a refund. One tube failed before I even installed the tire on the car. Anyone know where I can get American made tubes?

Buy them from Brattons, I have not had a failure in the past 10 years except for a nail here and there but not a tube failure
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Purchased one of the good inner tubes from Snyder's last year. There are three markings on the tube: T-K, 500/550-18/19, and Made in EEC.

Not being familiar with EEC I Googled it. Wikipedia indicates it stands for European Economic Community which means the tube came from either; Belgium, Denmark, France, Germany, Greece, Ireland, Italy, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Portugal, Spain or the UK.

Never did decipher the T-K.
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I would trust tubes and many other products from Europe, but have yet to see any quality rubber products come from China or nearby countries.
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A friend of mine had tube problems and called Brattons,they said the tubes were foreign made to their specifications
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Purchased one of the good inner tubes from Snyder's last year. There are three markings on the tube: T-K, 500/550-18/19, and Made in EEC.

Not being familiar with EEC I Googled it. Wikipedia indicates it stands for European Economic Community which means the tube came from either; Belgium, Denmark, France, Germany, Greece, Ireland, Italy, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Portugal, Spain or the UK.

Never did decipher the T-K.
A few years ago I bought six tubes for a non Ford antique car. All were marked EEC. Four were junk. The supplier insisted I pinched them installing them even though one blow up just putting air in it outside the tire. The supplier gave me 4 new ones and two of those were junk. The supplier is the largest antique tire Co. in the US. The tubes tore like an old newspaper.
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Thank you DOLLAR BILL (post # 26) for following through with my questions direction. You have 'hit the nail on the head' with your information, confirming what I suspected. Your diligence is to be commended.

Tom Wessenberg, post # 27: "I would trust tubes and many other products from Europe, but have yet to see any quality rubber products come from China or nearby countries."
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I don't see where EEC is any part of Eastern Europe...............................

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31 Flamingo: "I don't see where EEC is any part of Eastern Europe."
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That is true. However I was not addressing a reference to EEC; I was addressing a reference to 'Europe' (hence, my reference to Tom's post #27). Europe is generally geographically broken in to three components - Western Europe, Central Europe, and Eastern Europe. But often it has been simplified (since the 'Cold War') into two components: Western Europe and Eastern Europe. My remarks were meant to note that there might be a significant difference in quality between EEC and 'East Bloc' Europe. With the exception of Greece, all EEC countries are in Western Europe.

While both Germany and Russia are both in 'Europe', I would not want to buy a car from Russia - Not for reasons of politics, but for their noted lack of quality.

So, what I was trying to say was that there IS a difference in quality within 'Europe'. That is one of the reasons that the EEC is beginning to 'fray'.
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I'm told it stands for Eastern European Countries, which MAY include the ones listed. ALL I know for sure is the tubes I got from there were junk.
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The UK production of Dunlop vintage car and motorsport tyres moved to Germany and France in 2014.

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Does the DOT enter into this?
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My bad. I had read here on the Fordbarn that Brattons has their tubes made in the US. I should have checked for myself.
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I recently bought a tube from my local Model A parts supplier and specifically asked for a Brattons tube. The plastic wrapper was marked "made in China" and the tube had tiny Chinese lettering on.
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However, much (if not most) of their fire arms products are made in Japan.

So it is with this understanding of how wording is phrased that leads me to continue looking for specific and definitive - concrete evidence - that today's 'rubber' inner-tubes are actually MADE IN AMERICA - As in the old days, when AKRON, OHIO meant GoodYear Rubber, etc.

There is of course the MADE IN AMERICA label that has fine print indicating that the material was from XYZ & EBM, with components from EYC, assembled in ERT - all under the umbrella of 'Corporate Offices' in the USA.

"Based in", and "manufacturer" leaves room for some strong doubt as to exactly WHERE the inner-tubes are actually made. So I still wonder where the manufacturing plant is located that makes Bratton's/Snyder's inner-tubes.
true with most things labeled "made in the usa". FYI Springfield armory pistols are made in the Philippines....some of the best pistols out there.

anyways speaking of innertubes: I have 5 20" AA truck ones with the 90*bent brass valve stem - is there anyway to straighten them back out to a 45* or put another S bend in them to straighten them up?
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Bridgestone Americas Tube Business (BATB), a division of Bridgestone Americas Tire Operations, LLC, is based in Russellville, Arkansas. Since 1964, BATB has been committed to manufacturing quality synthetic and natural rubber inner tubes for both on and off the highway usage. We offer the most comprehensive product line in the industry ranging from Forestry tubes to Lawn and Garden tubes. In addition to inner tubes, BATB produces bladder stock for other Bridgestone plants to use in the production of tires. Today, BATB is the only inner tube manufacturer in the U.S. and Canada.

Here is their catalog;

http://firestonetubes.com/uploads/catalog_2011.pdf (I don't see anything 4.5")
and I always thought that Bridgestone is a Japanese company. I guess you learn something every day.
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Firestone is Japanese.
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"I recently bought a tube from my local Model A parts supplier and specifically asked for a Brattons tube. The plastic wrapper was marked "made in China" and the tube had tiny Chinese lettering on."

How do you know it was Bratton's spec made tube?
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Why are you all getting so hung up on where things are made?
Germany has some of the most stringent standards in the world with the TÜV. I don't think the problem lies with where these tubes were made, but maybe what material they were made from. If they are made from Nitrile they could be suffering from ozone damage. Over a relatively short period of time the ozone in the air will deteriorate the nitrile causing it to split. Remember in the old days the side walls of tires used to crack and split? ....Ozone!
To get around this problem the rubber has antiozonants added before it is vulcanised. There are other treatments as well to prevent damage from ozone.
You need to find a reputable supplier that can give you the material specifications and trust that not everything made outside the USA is crap.


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I just disassembled my tires/wheels in preparation for new tires that are on their way. When I took the tubes out, there was a plastic grommet around the base of the stem where it goes thru the wheel. I would like to put new ones in when I put the new tires on, but I don't see them in any of the vendor catalogs.

Anyone know what they are called and where I can get them?

Oh, BTW, the tubes I took out of the "old" tires say right on them: Made is USA. (Tires were Firestones made in New Zealand.) Replacing the tires only because of extreme weather cracks, still had lots of tread. They were 25+ years old, just not many miles.
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Are you talking about these? I carry about 30 of these in my parts drawer for projects.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/20-Tire-Inne...#ht_883wt_1160
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Are you talking about these? I carry about 30 of these in my parts drawer for projects.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/20-Tire-Inne...#ht_883wt_1160
That looks exactly like what were in my rims. Thanks!
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Winchester Repeating Arms Company have their headquarters and corporate offices in the U.S. They are 'An American Company'. "Selling the finest American products."

However, much (if not most) of their fire arms products are made in Japan.

So it is with this understanding of how wording is phrased that leads me to continue looking for specific and definitive - concrete evidence - that today's 'rubber' inner-tubes are actually MADE IN AMERICA - As in the old days, when AKRON, OHIO meant GoodYear Rubber, etc.

There is of course the MADE IN AMERICA label that has fine print indicating that the material was from XYZ & EBM, with components from EYC, assembled in ERT - all under the umbrella of 'Corporate Offices' in the USA.

"Based in", and "manufacturer" leaves room for some strong doubt as to exactly WHERE the inner-tubes are actually made. So I still wonder where the manufacturing plant is located that makes Bratton's/Snyder's inner-tubes.
This seems to be endemic. The editor of a so-called "prestigious" classic car magazine describes the Ford GT40 as the best American sports car ever. When challenged, he stated that although it was designed and built in the UK by a company completely outside the Ford Motor Company because it used a Ford engine and wore the blue oval and was paid for by Ford, it was a Ford. I guess this is another case of the golden rule - he who pays the gold rules!
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I picked up my new Coker 19" Radial tires today. On the way to pick them up, the powder coater called and said that my wheels were ready. An the little grommets (post # 44-47) came in yesterday.

Looks like I will have a busy day tomorrow!
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Sound like a good day ahead. Have fun Carl.
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